Stargate SG1 - game thread

[irretating]

BTW from my count irre was the hammer on borealis

Yes.

[irretating]

What does the flavour say about the mode of death?

Consistent with a scum nk.

AFAICT nightson didn't give off any special vibes, so my working theory is that diva being scum wanted him gone as he had his scumdar locked on her. Anything else is just too much WIFOM.

[amok]

What's worse? Reading the thread and not posting anything because you feel you don't have anything of substance to offer yet, or posting stuff that seems too obvious to even mention? It's a dilemma, because my thoughts right now are just that it would be mind-boggling if both Irre and Mantis were Scum. There were other prospects with two votes on them (including me) at a point where a bandwagon wouldn't have been too suspicious, I think. I'm also going to look again at why I had a bad feeling about DP. It was mostly the inconsistancy of his statements. That's enough for a first day vote, but it's not good enough for the second day.

Would you say you're confused?

Of course I am. I'm always confused for the first few days. I need more than a day or two of posts and actions before I can make decisions I consider sensible. I usually vote anyway, because I learned Mafia on a site where there's a penalty for not voting, but also because I think it's a bit of a cop out not to vote for anything other than a real-life reason.

This meta stuff sounds like so much woo to me, in the first few days at least. Sounds like lots of citing, with lots affirmation when a guess is right, and lots of self-exculpation when it's wrong.

As an aside, I seriously don't understand this post:

Bilibrubin wrote:
After a reread of day one I am leaning town on irre, diva, FF, ksen, feck. Shizz looks like he's a pawn of scum, but I know we used him in the same manner as scum mates in the Road Warrior game, with great effect, but leaning town for now. Nightson I had as town until late in the day, when he started looking followy. What does the flavour say about the mode of death?

Leaning scum on zigman, higgs, DP.

Not enough data on Az (townish I guess), praying, gonzo (thought scummy early but then fell off radar), r.c. (did they ever post day one?), and me.
##vote zigman##

Now to read today again and add to the growing database.

You had Nightson as town until late in the day? Nightson only made five posts, which included lynching Diva, Feck and Btern. I think this just shows that people given Special roles are in as much in a muddle as everyone else at first, until they can start using their powers and aligning with others.

[amok]

Vote Diva ... for an Oscar

Ha!

Thing is, every single thing Diva says makes sense to me, except keeping her General vote on someone who she (apparently) believes might be the Don. Watching votes, watching whatever - sure. But I really can't figure out how giving someone an extra half-vote, when you're not sure of them, makes any sense at all.

I didn't even vote for a General, because you all seemed like a bunch of Scum in reading that first-day thread. I'm not even feeling good about my DP vote anymore, because after reading those posts a few times, I sort of see where he's coming from. Sort of a Tell, but Tells are tricky.

You've made a number of posts in which you went to lengths to tell us just how confusing everything seems to you. That is scummy bet hedging. Have you played mafia before?

Yes, I've played Mafia before. And the first few days are always confusing to me. The latter days, not so much (though I've also been wrong, right to the end - haven't you?). In general, however, after I get information, the confusion ebbs. I don't see that as a problem.

[Bilirubin]

You had Nightson as town until late in the day? Nightson only made five posts, which included lynching Diva, Feck and Btern. I think this just shows that people given Special roles are in as much in a muddle as everyone else at first, until they can start using their powers and aligning with others.

Yes. I made that judgment based on his pattern of voting.

Quite agree with the many folks who try to pattern match. I think that pattern matching is an advanced technique that many players aren't terribly good at because it takes a particular person to be effective, and its not easily taught. Folks should focus on objective scum tells until their games get solid.

[Bilirubin]

Vote Diva ... for an Oscar

Ha!

Thing is, every single thing Diva says makes sense to me, except keeping her General vote on someone who she (apparently) believes might be the Don. Watching votes, watching whatever - sure. But I really can't figure out how giving someone an extra half-vote, when you're not sure of them, makes any sense at all.

I didn't even vote for a General, because you all seemed like a bunch of Scum in reading that first-day thread. I'm not even feeling good about my DP vote anymore, because after reading those posts a few times, I sort of see where he's coming from. Sort of a Tell, but Tells are tricky.

You've made a number of posts in which you went to lengths to tell us just how confusing everything seems to you. That is scummy bet hedging. Have you played mafia before?

Yes, I've played Mafia before. And the first few days are always confusing to me. The latter days, not so much (though I've also been wrong, right to the end - haven't you?). In general, however, after I get information, the confusion ebbs. I don't see that as a problem.

Can you see my point about it being used as a hedge by scum, to cover for their constant voting for town?

[divagreen]

What does the flavour say about the mode of death?

Consistent with a scum nk.

Where exactly do you make the correlation between a staff and a gun?

The guard looks up with a grim negative shake of his head. "Zat gun, by the looks of it," he barks.

[Bilirubin]

What does the flavour say about the mode of death?

Consistent with a scum nk.

Where exactly do you make the correlation between a staff and a gun?

The guard looks up with a grim negative shake of his head. "Zat gun, by the looks of it," he barks.

wat

[amok]

Vote Diva ... for an Oscar

Ha!

Thing is, every single thing Diva says makes sense to me, except keeping her General vote on someone who she (apparently) believes might be the Don. Watching votes, watching whatever - sure. But I really can't figure out how giving someone an extra half-vote, when you're not sure of them, makes any sense at all.

I didn't even vote for a General, because you all seemed like a bunch of Scum in reading that first-day thread. I'm not even feeling good about my DP vote anymore, because after reading those posts a few times, I sort of see where he's coming from. Sort of a Tell, but Tells are tricky.

You've made a number of posts in which you went to lengths to tell us just how confusing everything seems to you. That is scummy bet hedging. Have you played mafia before?

Yes, I've played Mafia before. And the first few days are always confusing to me. The latter days, not so much (though I've also been wrong, right to the end - haven't you?). In general, however, after I get information, the confusion ebbs. I don't see that as a problem.

Can you see my point about it being used as a hedge by scum, to cover for their constant voting for town?

Explain more, please. There can't be any "constant voting for Town" on Day 1 (or even Day 2). Voting is willy-nilly until facts come into play.

[Bilirubin]

Explain more, please. There can't be any "constant voting for Town" on Day 1 (or even Day 2). Voting is willy-nilly until facts come into play.

Scum know who scum are, rite?

[Don't Panic]

Nightson didn't scream out "I'm a special!" yesterday. I looked at his posts. What he did do was vote for diva, then even though he moved his vote off to help lynch b.tern, he then questioned diva about her insinuating that aza's vote on shizz was the scummy one.

Diva as scum gets nervous about people. She takes out people she thinks are onto her. I actually thought I'd be the NK last night for sure, but if diva were scum it'd make sense, because nightson was onto her, plus she'd feel guilty NK'ing me twice in a row on night 1

##vote diva##

I didn't spot anything in nightsons posts yesterday either, but it's my first game with him, wondering if someone who plays with him regularly may have picked up on his special game?

Diva tends to be way more together as scum than she is as town, having teammates seems to temper the major flailing we get when she's under pressure as town, yesterday looked a little like she was trying to replicate a town drama, badly, but could just be my read on it.

Shizzle, seems too scummy to be scum, but then again could be a double bluff, or just bad play.

Irre, kinda glad I left my mayor vote where it was yesterday, getting a town vibe today.

More thoughts tomorrow, 4:20am here, but
##vote mattshizzle##
Seems like the most likely today.

[amok]

Explain more, please. There can't be any "constant voting for Town" on Day 1 (or even Day 2). Voting is willy-nilly until facts come into play.

Scum know who scum are, rite?

Is not voting at all a Scum tell, in the wide, wild world of Mafia?

[Bilirubin]

Explain more, please. There can't be any "constant voting for Town" on Day 1 (or even Day 2). Voting is willy-nilly until facts come into play.

Scum know who scum are, rite?

Is not voting at all a Scum tell, in the wide, wild world of Mafia?

You are missing my point, and seem to miss that some can read signal in the noise of early game.

[Bilirubin]

##unvote vote dp##

[divagreen]

Diva tends to be way more together as scum than she is as town, having teammates seems to temper the major flailing we get when she's under pressure as town, yesterday looked a little like she was trying to replicate a town drama, badly, but could just be my read on it.

Hedging.