Finally, a politician tells it like it is about the Vatican

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Finally, a politician tells it like it is about the Vatican

Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:49 am



The Taoiseach of Ireland (Prime Minister), yesterday in the Dail (Parliament)
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Post by klr » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:54 am

... and also a practising Catholic. Teflon Bertie would never have cut loose like this.
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Post by JimC » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:00 am

klr wrote:... and also a practising Catholic. Teflon Bertie would never have cut loose like this.
That should make it more telling. It's not some evil atheist having a go at them, but a fed-up member of their own flock...

If I'm reading things right here, the anger by catholic laity (and many priests as well) at the hierarchy is growing, and, in time, may reach a point of no return...
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:16 am

JimC wrote:
klr wrote:... and also a practising Catholic. Teflon Bertie would never have cut loose like this.
That should make it more telling. It's not some evil atheist having a go at them, but a fed-up member of their own flock...

If I'm reading things right here, the anger by catholic laity (and many priests as well) at the hierarchy is growing, and, in time, may reach a point of no return...
Yup - there'll be a schism and the New Irish Catholic Church will be born, with a pledge to go back to "traditional values".

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Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:27 am

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klr wrote:... and also a practising Catholic. Teflon Bertie would never have cut loose like this.
That should make it more telling. It's not some evil atheist having a go at them, but a fed-up member of their own flock...

If I'm reading things right here, the anger by catholic laity (and many priests as well) at the hierarchy is growing, and, in time, may reach a point of no return...
I hope so.

The facts on the ground are that many naive men and women became priests, monks, and nuns believing they had a "divine calling", and also because it was one of the few job options available in Ireland in the 50s and 60s. A lot of these men and women did great things, and still do. (For example, I know of an elderly nun, recently retired, who deliberately moved into a flat in the most notoriously disreputable, drug riddled, and poverty stricken part of Ireland (a complex of flats called Ballymun - now completely redeveloped). Every day of her working life, she lived amongst and helped extremely vulnerable people. She did great work, out of a sense of social duty.

There are many other religious people who do this.

Putting aside the delusion of religion that went along with this, these people are good, and did and do a lot of good.

The Vatican is imposing 100% of the blame for Vatican inspired conspiracy on ALL the clergy, monks, and nuns of Ireland, in their attempt to distance the global revelations from the Vatican door.

There are many clergy, nuns, and monks in Ireland who actively engaged in a criminal conspiracy against the people and the state of Ireland, and most importantly, against the victims of abuse. These should be publicly identified through a judicial process. Noone is above the Civil Law, and prosecutions should follow.
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Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:28 am

Thinking Aloud wrote:
JimC wrote:
klr wrote:... and also a practising Catholic. Teflon Bertie would never have cut loose like this.
That should make it more telling. It's not some evil atheist having a go at them, but a fed-up member of their own flock...

If I'm reading things right here, the anger by catholic laity (and many priests as well) at the hierarchy is growing, and, in time, may reach a point of no return...
Yup - there'll be a schism and the New Irish Catholic Church will be born, with a pledge to go back to "traditional values".

Perhaps.

But this government has expressed a wish to significantly cut the number of schools that the Catholic Church "governs". 90% has been mentioned, but if they even achieve 20% it will be remarkable.
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Post by Tero » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:31 am

The Catholic church had an evil history that led to the banning of priest marriage. That was in the early days. Let them people become normal. Have some gay bishops marry.

The history
http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... nd_church/
Then, with the enlargement and enrichment of the Church, the saints almost disappeared and the sinners multiplied, Pope Liberius was sent into exile for refusing to sign an heretical formula. But when he heard that "the faithful" had set up an anti-Pope he "embraced the heretical perversity" (St. Jerome says), and returned to struggle for his flesh-pots.
etc etc

The purpose of the no marriage was to prevent collection of wealth and inheritance. The church wanted to hold on to wealth. The priests had to hold on to wealth and have babies on the side by whatever means.

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Irish Taoiseach attacks the Catholic Church...

Post by Animavore » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:37 pm

...over handling of child abuse.

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Re: Irish Taoiseach attacks the Catholic Church...

Post by Pappa » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:14 pm

Wow... what an excellent speech and a great step forward. I'll be very interested to see the Vatican's response too.
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Post by Animavore » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:17 pm

The Vatican will give it's usual pre-written message they use for every occassion.
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Re: Irish Taoiseach attacks the Catholic Church...

Post by Pappa » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:24 pm

Animavore wrote:The Vatican will give it's usual pre-written message they use for every occassion.
Fuck you.


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Well yeah, but this time that may result in them ostracising their Irish followers even further. Surely a good thing.
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Post by Animavore » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:33 pm

Pappa wrote:
Animavore wrote:The Vatican will give it's usual pre-written message they use for every occassion.
Fuck you.


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Well yeah, but this time that may result in them ostracising their Irish followers even further. Surely a good thing.
Must be. Call me when they reply. I'll be over here rolling in my own schadenfreude.
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Re: Irish Taoiseach attacks the Catholic Church...

Post by Cormac » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:35 pm

Animavore wrote:...over handling of child abuse.


I'm pretty sure I posted this already ...
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Re: Irish Taoiseach attacks the Catholic Church...

Post by Animavore » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:37 pm

No. I searched.
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