US House of Representatives Votes to Fire Obama's Czars

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Post by Warren Dew » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:58 pm

Seth wrote:Great plan, not that it'll make it through the Senate or past the veto pen. But it does put Obama on notice.
With that margin, some Democrats must have voted for it in the House. We can hope a similar proportion would in the Senate.

Obama has shown a modicum of learning ability since the Republicans took control of the house. He might veto it if it reaches his desk, but there's an outside chance he might realize that his chances of reelection are better if he tries to run the government within the constitution rather than trying to govern in the tradition of James II&VII.

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Post by Seth » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:11 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Seth wrote:Great plan, not that it'll make it through the Senate or past the veto pen. But it does put Obama on notice.
With that margin, some Democrats must have voted for it in the House. We can hope a similar proportion would in the Senate.

Obama has shown a modicum of learning ability since the Republicans took control of the house. He might veto it if it reaches his desk, but there's an outside chance he might realize that his chances of reelection are better if he tries to run the government within the constitution rather than trying to govern in the tradition of James II&VII.
The real teeth of the House is its ability to attach defunding provisions to "must pass" legislation.

And Obama hasn't learned anything, he's following the game plan laid out in the beginning. He's simply positioning himself for a 2012 run at reelection. In order to do so, in response to the spanking he got in November, he's got to APPEAR to be pandering to the right, in order to garner votes from the political center, who like most voters, have incredibly short memories for who did what to them in the recent past.

Trust me, if he gets reelected, he'll turn right back to the hard-left Progressive plan and he'll do everything in his power to ram through every Progressive dream legislation of the last century. Had we not changed course and retaken the House, he'd be doing it right this minute.

Make no mistake, he's a hard-left Marxist Progressive ideologue who is intent on "fundamentally tranforming" the United States into a Marxist Progressive utopia, but he's a smart and cunning one who will tell any lie he has to in order to get the results, and he and the rest of the Progressives plan far ahead and have contingencies for every setback, which are what he's executing now.

He is, and will always be, a dangerous traitor to the Constitution and the Republic.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:26 pm

Obama may stage a 'event' and seems to be gearing towards a fiscal disaster in order to declare military rule and stop elections for the duration of the long emergency? He's coming to the UK in May but this visit isn't all it seems. Perhaps he doesn't want to appear to be at the wheel when things begin to spin out of control. Seems May and the driving season should be interesting with regards oil prices and the like?
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Re: US House of Representatives Votes to Fire Obama's Czars

Post by drl2 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:35 am

Warren Dew wrote:
Rob wrote:They are firing specialists on serious issues and labeling them czars? I don't get how a set of people can be this misguided.
Obama was the one labeling them "czars".
'Czar' is a nickname applied to this sort of advisory position ever since Saint Ronny appointed his "drug czar".
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Post by Warren Dew » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:46 pm

Seth wrote:And Obama hasn't learned anything, he's following the game plan laid out in the beginning. He's simply positioning himself for a 2012 run at reelection. In order to do so, in response to the spanking he got in November, he's got to APPEAR to be pandering to the right, in order to garner votes from the political center, who like most voters, have incredibly short memories for who did what to them in the recent past.
Well, the way I see it is that the lesson Obama is learning is that Congress gets to make the laws, not the President. This happened with Clinton and Bush as well - remember Bush's Social Security reform plans? And don't forget how the deficits ballooned to what we then thought was the huge amount of half a trillion dollars a year in 2006, despite Bush's vetoes. While the President does have veto power, the primary power to determine the direction of the government is in Congress' hands, with the power of the purse. The President's real job is just to manage the government and keep it running.
Trust me, if he gets reelected, he'll turn right back to the hard-left Progressive plan and he'll do everything in his power to ram through every Progressive dream legislation of the last century. Had we not changed course and retaken the House, he'd be doing it right this minute.
He'd certainly be doing it now if Pelosi were still speaker. However, he's been somewhat realistic in starting to negotiate with the Republicans since the election, agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts in exchange for continuing some of the government giveaways that had been his economic policy before. Perhaps I'm being too generous, but it seems to me he might even have begun to have some misgivings about how well the giveaway policies were working.

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Post by Seth » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:58 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Seth wrote:And Obama hasn't learned anything, he's following the game plan laid out in the beginning. He's simply positioning himself for a 2012 run at reelection. In order to do so, in response to the spanking he got in November, he's got to APPEAR to be pandering to the right, in order to garner votes from the political center, who like most voters, have incredibly short memories for who did what to them in the recent past.
Well, the way I see it is that the lesson Obama is learning is that Congress gets to make the laws, not the President. This happened with Clinton and Bush as well - remember Bush's Social Security reform plans? And don't forget how the deficits ballooned to what we then thought was the huge amount of half a trillion dollars a year in 2006, despite Bush's vetoes. While the President does have veto power, the primary power to determine the direction of the government is in Congress' hands, with the power of the purse. The President's real job is just to manage the government and keep it running.
Trust me, if he gets reelected, he'll turn right back to the hard-left Progressive plan and he'll do everything in his power to ram through every Progressive dream legislation of the last century. Had we not changed course and retaken the House, he'd be doing it right this minute.
He'd certainly be doing it now if Pelosi were still speaker. However, he's been somewhat realistic in starting to negotiate with the Republicans since the election, agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts in exchange for continuing some of the government giveaways that had been his economic policy before. Perhaps I'm being too generous, but it seems to me he might even have begun to have some misgivings about how well the giveaway policies were working.
He has no misgivings. He's merely being pragmatic and politically savvy. His purpose, since he was a student in college at least, was to destroy capitalism and the United States as it exists and turn it into a socialist utopia. But he's smart enough to recognize when he's been slapped down for overreaching, so now he's mantling himself in the guise of "bipartisanship," but he is, as he has always been, insincere, duplicitous, and pathologically dangerous.
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Re: US House of Representatives Votes to Fire Obama's Czars

Post by sandinista » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:40 pm

Seth wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Seth wrote:And Obama hasn't learned anything, he's following the game plan laid out in the beginning. He's simply positioning himself for a 2012 run at reelection. In order to do so, in response to the spanking he got in November, he's got to APPEAR to be pandering to the right, in order to garner votes from the political center, who like most voters, have incredibly short memories for who did what to them in the recent past.
Well, the way I see it is that the lesson Obama is learning is that Congress gets to make the laws, not the President. This happened with Clinton and Bush as well - remember Bush's Social Security reform plans? And don't forget how the deficits ballooned to what we then thought was the huge amount of half a trillion dollars a year in 2006, despite Bush's vetoes. While the President does have veto power, the primary power to determine the direction of the government is in Congress' hands, with the power of the purse. The President's real job is just to manage the government and keep it running.
Trust me, if he gets reelected, he'll turn right back to the hard-left Progressive plan and he'll do everything in his power to ram through every Progressive dream legislation of the last century. Had we not changed course and retaken the House, he'd be doing it right this minute.
He'd certainly be doing it now if Pelosi were still speaker. However, he's been somewhat realistic in starting to negotiate with the Republicans since the election, agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts in exchange for continuing some of the government giveaways that had been his economic policy before. Perhaps I'm being too generous, but it seems to me he might even have begun to have some misgivings about how well the giveaway policies were working.
He has no misgivings. He's merely being pragmatic and politically savvy. His purpose, since he was a student in college at least, was to destroy capitalism
...if only.
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Re: US House of Representatives Votes to Fire Obama's Czars

Post by Seth » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:10 am

sandinista wrote:
Seth wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Seth wrote:And Obama hasn't learned anything, he's following the game plan laid out in the beginning. He's simply positioning himself for a 2012 run at reelection. In order to do so, in response to the spanking he got in November, he's got to APPEAR to be pandering to the right, in order to garner votes from the political center, who like most voters, have incredibly short memories for who did what to them in the recent past.
Well, the way I see it is that the lesson Obama is learning is that Congress gets to make the laws, not the President. This happened with Clinton and Bush as well - remember Bush's Social Security reform plans? And don't forget how the deficits ballooned to what we then thought was the huge amount of half a trillion dollars a year in 2006, despite Bush's vetoes. While the President does have veto power, the primary power to determine the direction of the government is in Congress' hands, with the power of the purse. The President's real job is just to manage the government and keep it running.
Trust me, if he gets reelected, he'll turn right back to the hard-left Progressive plan and he'll do everything in his power to ram through every Progressive dream legislation of the last century. Had we not changed course and retaken the House, he'd be doing it right this minute.
He'd certainly be doing it now if Pelosi were still speaker. However, he's been somewhat realistic in starting to negotiate with the Republicans since the election, agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts in exchange for continuing some of the government giveaways that had been his economic policy before. Perhaps I'm being too generous, but it seems to me he might even have begun to have some misgivings about how well the giveaway policies were working.
He has no misgivings. He's merely being pragmatic and politically savvy. His purpose, since he was a student in college at least, was to destroy capitalism
...if only.
With any luck, the moronic Marxists and other hard-left revolutionary types will fail to recognize the fluid Progressive plan, and will become enraged at Obama appearing to abandon his Marxist principles they were counting on to foment the revolution, and they will turn on him, as Marxists are wont to do, and eat him alive. Better yet if they put up a candidate against him in 2012, which will dilute his vote base, making a conservative victory all the more certain.

Marxists are not known for their patience with counterrevolutionaries and reactionaries and former comrades who don't hold strongly enough to the Marxist revolutionary ideology. They tend to throw bombs first and think later.
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