McDonald's Mafia Game Thread

[gib]

ok sorry again

had a read through and felt uncomfortable every time i saw Squid whiteknighting me. But more worryingly:

DP, I think if I was in your situation I'd do the same thing, it sounds like an impossible role to play but as mentioned, it's not like we can trust your word in a game where doubt and paranoia are the main weapons at our disposal.

Though I do find it weird that you haven't just given up, I wouldn't even bother trying to defend myself in that situation.

doubt and paranoia are scum's weapons

vote Squid

[mononoke]

ah!! there is too much to read here

[Callan]

Seven pages in the night, nice.

So DP claims Miller, does he? Hmm.
Yes, irre - I copped the Miller role in one of your games. Remind me, have I killed you enough times for that yet, or do I still owe you some more pain?

Miller shows scum if lynched, town if NKd. I decided the best strategy would be to do everything in my power to avoid getting lynched - i.e. scum-hunt like crazy - and to be a pain in the arse to scum so they'd kill me. I succeeded in getting Nkd and as a happy side-effect left a good trail of work for Town to pick up.
What I DIDN'T do was out myself Day One.
Because I figured that announcing "Ooh, poor little me, please don't lynch me 'cos I'll show as scum" would rightly be greeted with derision and disbelief.

I see Aza is getting fossed for pointing out something similar, but I'm not so sure that wanting an outed Miller (IF he is a Miller) out of our hair is so very scummy. At present, DP is just another source of wifom that frankly we could live without. Mantis wifoms further by wondering if DP is in fact a Jester...

Apart from the above, Mantis has been very pro-active, which is her Town style. Though she's VERY good at it, she doesn't enjoy deceiving, and is always more open in her play as Town.

No-one seems overtly scummy, which is a mighty pain. Though I'm not quite sure I buy Gib's "I'm so busy at TR I forgot to check in here". Feck has chilled out after his intial Ani-esque weirdness. Irre and Oblivion seemed at one point to be having some kind of love-feast, but have reverted to their usual mutual suspicion, which is at least more comfortable for the rest of us. Mono hasn't engaged much, but then we've lynched him for not showing before and he's flipped Town.

So-
It's been slated by a couple of people as a scummy thing to want to do, but nonetheless, I feel it would be better to remove DP just so we can stop wondering about him and get on with business. As it is, he's just a worrying distraction. He's a smart enough cookie to be pulling this whole Miller thing as a scummy stunt, and even if he turns out to have been Jestering all along as Mantis suggests, then at least we will be free of his wifom.

Vote DP

[oblivion]

ok sorry again

had a read through and felt uncomfortable every time i saw Squid whiteknighting me. But more worryingly:

DP, I think if I was in your situation I'd do the same thing, it sounds like an impossible role to play but as mentioned, it's not like we can trust your word in a game where doubt and paranoia are the main weapons at our disposal.

Though I do find it weird that you haven't just given up, I wouldn't even bother trying to defend myself in that situation.

doubt and paranoia are scum's weapons

vote Squid

You think this was a slip-up?

[Feck]

First thoughts... Squids defence of Gib was that it wasn't likely that he would be scum again ,that sounds a bit like we were meant to think 'oh Squid wouldn't be scum again either ' Lots of people changing their votes, that makes it complicated ,town should not be making things complicated .

[oblivion]

the vote that I unvoted after I got home and reviewed his later posts?

Unlike Irre, I don't usually announce it when I put a pressure vote on someone.

that's the one.

I'm going to have to wipe off all the egg on my face tomorrow if Aza gets lynched and he comes up as scum. After going on about Oblivion and her possible safe vote on him..

Could just be looking into it too much

It is interesting that you consider Aza to be a safe vote as opposed to, say a vote on someone outing as a miller.

[Don't Panic]

Seven pages in the night, nice.

So DP claims Miller, does he? Hmm.
Yes, irre - I copped the Miller role in one of your games. Remind me, have I killed you enough times for that yet, or do I still owe you some more pain?

Miller shows scum if lynched, town if NKd. I decided the best strategy would be to do everything in my power to avoid getting lynched - i.e. scum-hunt like crazy - and to be a pain in the arse to scum so they'd kill me. I succeeded in getting Nkd and as a happy side-effect left a good trail of work for Town to pick up.
What I DIDN'T do was out myself Day One.
Because I figured that announcing "Ooh, poor little me, please don't lynch me 'cos I'll show as scum" would rightly be greeted with derision and disbelief.

I see Aza is getting fossed for pointing out something similar, but I'm not so sure that wanting an outed Miller (IF he is a Miller) out of our hair is so very scummy. At present, DP is just another source of wifom that frankly we could live without. Mantis wifoms further by wondering if DP is in fact a Jester...

Apart from the above, Mantis has been very pro-active, which is her Town style. Though she's VERY good at it, she doesn't enjoy deceiving, and is always more open in her play as Town.

No-one seems overtly scummy, which is a mighty pain. Though I'm not quite sure I buy Gib's "I'm so busy at TR I forgot to check in here". Feck has chilled out after his intial Ani-esque weirdness. Irre and Oblivion seemed at one point to be having some kind of love-feast, but have reverted to their usual mutual suspicion, which is at least more comfortable for the rest of us. Mono hasn't engaged much, but then we've lynched him for not showing before and he's flipped Town.

So-
It's been slated by a couple of people as a scummy thing to want to do, but nonetheless, I feel it would be better to remove DP just so we can stop wondering about him and get on with business. As it is, he's just a worrying distraction. He's a smart enough cookie to be pulling this whole Miller thing as a scummy stunt, and even if he turns out to have been Jestering all along as Mantis suggests, then at least we will be free of his wifom.

Vote DP

Thank you for the compliment, but not even I would pull a stunt like this one day one.

It's all risk for no reward, I outed to prevent the seer from thinking they'd caught scum if they viewed me, exposing themselves for no gain to town, the way I figured it was: you don't believe me and you lynch me, or, you do believe me and then I'm essentially cleared town, and in lieu of a special that makes me a prime scum target, scum want unknowns at endgame, it makes it easier to manipulate the town players into distrusting each other.

[Don't Panic]

Forgot the other bit; Callan, a miller shows scum if viewed, town if lynched or NK'd. It's a vanilla town role with a nasty twist.

[oblivion]

First thoughts... Squids defence of Gib was that it wasn't likely that he would be scum again ,that sounds a bit like we were meant to think 'oh Squid wouldn't be scum again either '

I've been thinking about that comment, too. hmm.

Lots of people changing their votes, that makes it complicated ,town should not be making things complicated .

It's not a universal, but IME town players are more likely to spontaneously change votes than scum players. Scum tend to think about how a change/non-change could come back and bite them later in the game.

[gib]

I don't know but it's something i'd really like Squid to explain

[gib]

eta that last one in response to ob asking me if i thought it was a slip up

[Callan]

Forgot the other bit; Callan, a miller shows scum if viewed, town if lynched or NK'd. It's a vanilla town role with a nasty twist.

Hah, irre made me play it as I'd flip scum if lynched and town if NKd.
Bitch!


Sticking with my vote on you though, DP. There's nothing to be gained from keeping you: as you point out yourself, you're only a cleared Townie if we choose to believe you. And I don't.
And as you also point out so appositely:

scum want unknowns at endgame, it makes it easier to manipulate the town players into distrusting each other.

Exactly so. You are an unknown quantity. I don't trust you. You've outdone Ani at his wifomy best and made Day One into a pretty mess with your (needless) outing and if you're lynched, we'll be well rid of the seeds of doubt you've sown.

[Feck]

I don't see why lynching a town player is a good idea . and I do think DP is town

[The Curious Squid]

It wasn't a slip up, It was what I actually think, Since I've started playing Mafia wars I've been struck with just how paranoid you get playing it. To deny that it's the main driving force of the game seems ridiculous to me.

I'm going to put all my cards on the table here, I was actually planning to sit this game out but received the GM PM telling me my role before I even knew there was another sign up and have been automatically drafted. The reason I was going to sit this one out was because after that scum game I wanted a break. It was too much work, I've said so several times both in public and in the scum thread.

Rather than cause hassle with trying to get a sub I've just taken part since I am Vanilla town.

Mayor voting DP to me is a good move, if he is scum and does anything to protect them with his addition half vote it'll show up so easily, essentially I feel that by mayor voting him he's on a tighter leash regardless of his alignment.

The other thing I'd like to say is that this is still early days for me and I get the feeling that most of you really don't know what I'm like which is causing you to suspect me more easily. All I can hope for is that you remember these games in the future.

From the reactions in the past couple of pages, Gib still seems town to me but yet again, Feck seems to be manipulating people with his posts.

[Don't Panic]

I don't see why lynching a town player is a good idea . and I do think DP is town

I am but I can't be cleared by any means except death.