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Post by BrettA » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:07 pm

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lordpasternack wrote:The above does beg the question of whether said sexual activities are always automatically abusive, per se - and this is one of the arguing points that certain paedophiles will continue to raise, and thus far be quite entitled to raise - since hypothetically, the activity could be seen to be benign to any impartial observers.
I am not sure we have any disagreement here, but for me it is about who holds the 'power'. Even if a child agreed to go along with the sexual requests of the paedophile in question and there was no aggression or violence and they found it pleasurable (and many do, which is where emotional confusion often arises later on), the point is that the child should not be subjected to and used for the sexual gratification of an adult - period. They are not equipped to make informed decisions goes the argument.
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Yes, I too am not understanding exactly what you mean LP. Are you saying that in some cases paedophilia that has been acted upon may not be abusive? Since it is a psychiatric disorder, wouldn't it at a minimum be abusive to the paedophile themselves?
The issue I have with the "They are not equipped..." argument is that the age specification is somewhat arbitrary and as far as I know, varying from place to place. Since humanity doesn't go "not being equipped to make informed decisions" to "being equipped" uniformly or based on a birthday, I can see at least from my perspective that I'm almost positive I'd not consider to have been abused if the "right" adult had initiated sexual advances on me at say, 13 (and I have more than a couple of girls or young-ish women from that period of my life in mind).

I'm not sure if LP had this scenario in mind, but that's my personal take. I'll also note that I've known several guys who did experience this and all were profusely thankful for the experience and others like me who simply like the idea of this as sexual introduction but never experienced it. I know we have to have laws to protect abuse (and I fully agree with the protection), but I wish there was a way that these experiences could occur to the eager, willing and comfortable-for-life people (perhaps partly based on whether they had physically matured).
The problem is that it is impossible, or at least impractical...
Oh, absolutely! I do recognize that my wishes aren't likely to come true just because they're my wishes... but they still remain. Just like "I wish we could get to the stars" is impossible or at least impractical in any time frame that's relevant to me, I wish the above could also happen. So maybe by the time we can get to the stars, my wish above might be attained, attainable or at least somewhere closer to the horizon.

And if you were serious... no, he can't do it with the 13 y-o daughter any more than with the 40-y-o Nymph - either way there are legal issues. And for possible clarification, neither of your scenarios fit what I personally would have hoped for, as neither the 40 y-o nor the 13-y-o fell into my "more than a couple of girls or young-ish women from that period of my life". While sadly it was long after I was 13 and after losing my virginity, I did come close to getting my wish by way of a 21 y-o MILF when I was 17... and our relationship lasted maybe 4 years and I'll always be grateful for having her as a sexual mentor/tutor. Also sadly, she died ~18 months ago (at least one pic of her from the '60s is somewhere on Ratz, IIRC).

And still... "The issue I have with the "They are not equipped..." argument is that the age specification is somewhat arbitrary and as far as I know, varying from place to place..."
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Re: Before You Buy Anything Else From Amazon, Read This...

Post by JimC » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:03 pm

GreyICE wrote:
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GreyICE wrote: They sell 'erotica.' It's a goddamn category.

I don't know if you feel like playing the semantic game, but it seems deeply deceptive here.
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Yes, please try to tell me how Amazon censors movies, not books now. I'll feel free to laugh at that argument, because it's really fucking stupid.

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Erotica, but no porn. They have Nabokov's 'Lolita', but not 'Anal Fisting Housewives'...

Yay, we have captain semantic here.

http://www.amazon.com/NAUGHTY-Extreme-E ... 857&sr=1-2

Classify that, captain semantics. Good fucking job. Like 13 seconds of work on their search engine.

Now that we've properly identified that we're discussing a book, and not a movie (it's one of those things with words, you know, the type that apparently some people have never seen) lets get to the fucking point - they sell it.

Pun entirely intended, it seems on mental age level for this semantic discussion.
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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Polk County Judge J. Michael McCarthy, who found probable cause that Greaves distributed obscene material depicting minors engaged in activities harmful to minors."



Does this mean minor on minor? :think:
The Florida warrant charged Greaves with distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors, a third-degree felony.
Depiction. How is this book different from Lolita? Because it is not fiction or because it is written as if it is not?
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No, it means the activities the kids were depicted as engaging in were activities deemed harmful to minors. Like sex with an adult.
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Polk County Judge J. Michael McCarthy, who found probable cause that Greaves distributed obscene material depicting minors engaged in activities harmful to minors."



Does this mean minor on minor? :think:
I thought it meant wedgies. :tea:
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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:47 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:No, it means the activities the kids were depicted as engaging in were activities deemed harmful to minors. Like sex with an adult.
OK. It isn't clear by the wording in the article.

Depicted activities deemed harmful to minors--like being beaten by an adult? Neglected by a parent?
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Gawdzilla wrote:No, it means the activities the kids were depicted as engaging in were activities deemed harmful to minors. Like sex with an adult.
OK. It isn't clear by the wording in the article.

Depicted activities deemed harmful to minors--like being beaten by an adult? Neglected by a parent?
Raping a three year old? BDSM on a 5 yo?
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Post by JOZeldenrust » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:52 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:No, it means the activities the kids were depicted as engaging in were activities deemed harmful to minors. Like sex with an adult.
OK. It isn't clear by the wording in the article.

Depicted activities deemed harmful to minors--like being beaten by an adult? Neglected by a parent?
Raping a three year old? BDSM on a 5 yo?
CBT on young boys is quite all right though.

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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:57 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:No, it means the activities the kids were depicted as engaging in were activities deemed harmful to minors. Like sex with an adult.
OK. It isn't clear by the wording in the article.

Depicted activities deemed harmful to minors--like being beaten by an adult? Neglected by a parent?
Raping a three year old? BDSM on a 5 yo?
Are these things in the book?

I'm not sure you are getting my point.

Number one, I am not OK with child abuse of any type.

But, according to the wording, depictions of one type of abuse is heavily verboten, while other types of abuse are allowed to be depicted in works of fiction and memoirs, et al.

How is Lolita different?
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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:00 pm

Additional thoughts about this situation.

Are abusers born or made? Can they be made by reading a book?
Do they need a book to tell them what to do and how to do it?
Does strict prevention of such books reduce the incidence of child sexual abuse?
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Post by Arse » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:13 pm

How is Lolita different?
Lolita doesn't have pictures of the sex scenes. According to the report I read on CNN, this book contains illustrations of boys between the ages of approx. 9 and 13.
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Post by Pappa » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:22 pm

Arse wrote:
How is Lolita different?
Lolita doesn't have pictures of the sex scenes. According to the report I read on CNN, this book contains illustrations of boys between the ages of approx. 9 and 13.
Plus, Lolita doesn't advocate or defend paedophelia... it's an excellent novel that puts you inside the mind of a sex offender.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:31 pm

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Arse wrote:
How is Lolita different?
Lolita doesn't have pictures of the sex scenes. According to the report I read on CNN, this book contains illustrations of boys between the ages of approx. 9 and 13.
Plus, Lolita doesn't advocate or defend paedophelia... it's an excellent novel that puts you inside the mind of a sex offender.
She was convicted? Or are you just be judgmental? :mod:
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Post by JOZeldenrust » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:32 pm

Arse wrote:
How is Lolita different?
Lolita doesn't have pictures of the sex scenes. According to the report I read on CNN, this book contains illustrations of boys between the ages of approx. 9 and 13.
Why are illustrations a problem? I can see why photographs could be problematic, as they often require the depicted act to have taken place, but even then it's the act that is harmful, not the depiction of it.

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