American Drone Attack in Pakistan Kills German

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Et tu, Brute, et fuckin' tu.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, military bases are "terrorist training camps," gotcha - I didn't realize you were engaging in sophistry. Thanks for clarifying.

Not sophistry at all. Same thing, only "bases" are better funded.

....and not engaged in "terrorism."

"Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public..." United Nations Declaration on Measures to Eliminate International Terrorism annex to UN General Assembly resolution 49/60 ,"Measures to Eliminate International Terrorism", of December 9, 1994, UN Doc. A/Res/60/49 That's similar to the proposed definition under the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism and United Nations Security Council Resolution 1566.

Another formulation out of the UN is: "any action, in addition to actions already specified by the existing conventions on aspects of terrorism, the Geneva Conventions and Security Council resolution 1566 (2004), that is intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants, when the purpose of such an act, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a Government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act."

The acts must be criminal, and the intention must be to provoke a state of general terror in the public. 9/11 qualifies, because those involved in its planning had the purpose of striking terror in to Americans and Jews, and the act was clearly criminal.

The Afghan War, for example, was not terrorism, because the intention was clearly to retaliate against the 9/11 attack and eliminate Al Qaeta's capacity to carry out future attacks, and the Afghan War was perfectly legal under international law.

Of course they are engaged in terrorism. Shock and Awe wasn't intended to provoke a state of general terror? Or carpet bombing Vietnam, or death squads in south and central america? Of course bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a state of terror. Did you really read what you wrote? Most US military/terror actions fit the descriptions above to a fucking T. Again, the same old definition comes up again, if the US does it, it's "counter terrorism", is anyone else does it "terrorism".

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

[sandinista]

Coito:

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

They aren't eh? Says who? You? Bullshit. Like the US has never targeted the civilian population, what a load of crap.

[JimC]

Coito:

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

They aren't eh? Says who? You? Bullshit. Like the US has never targeted the civilian population, what a load of crap.

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

Everything the US forces does is a terrorist act. Bombing cities, destroying infrastructure, painting orphanages, everything! And why do we know this true? Because they're Americans, so it must be true. Clear now?

[sandinista]

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

Everything the US forces does is a terrorist act. Bombing cities, destroying infrastructure, painting orphanages, everything! And why do we know this true? Because they're Americans, so it must be true. Clear now?

Oh...wow, how clever, you snuck "painting orphanages" in there. Not only clever, but original. Painting orphanages? yea? Thats what you have to say?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

Everything the US forces does is a terrorist act. Bombing cities, destroying infrastructure, painting orphanages, everything! And why do we know this true? Because they're Americans, so it must be true. Clear now?

Oh...wow, how clever, you snuck "painting orphanages" in there. Not only clever, but original. Painting orphanages? yea? Thats what you have to say?

Mockable posts are mocked. Just sayin'.

[Coito ergo sum]

Coito:

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

They aren't eh? Says who? You? Bullshit. Like the US has never targeted the civilian population, what a load of crap.

I never said they "never" did or didn't do this, that or the other thing.

You're the one claiming every military base is a terrorist training camp. This is about your load of crap.

[sandinista]

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

Everything the US forces does is a terrorist act. Bombing cities, destroying infrastructure, painting orphanages, everything! And why do we know this true? Because they're Americans, so it must be true. Clear now?

Oh...wow, how clever, you snuck "painting orphanages" in there. Not only clever, but original. Painting orphanages? yea? Thats what you have to say?

Mockable posts are mocked. Just sayin'.

uh, yah, thats why I mocked your post.

[sandinista]

Coito:

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

They aren't eh? Says who? You? Bullshit. Like the US has never targeted the civilian population, what a load of crap.

I never said they "never" did or didn't do this, that or the other thing.

You're the one claiming every military base is a terrorist training camp. This is about your load of crap.

You DID say "the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them." THAT is a load of crap.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At times, US forces have not taken nearly enough care to avoid civilian casualities, but that is not the same as deliberately targetting them, as real terrorists do...

Everything the US forces does is a terrorist act. Bombing cities, destroying infrastructure, painting orphanages, everything! And why do we know this true? Because they're Americans, so it must be true. Clear now?

Oh...wow, how clever, you snuck "painting orphanages" in there. Not only clever, but original. Painting orphanages? yea? Thats what you have to say?

Mockable posts are mocked. Just sayin'.

uh, yah, thats why I mocked your post.

*pat, pat, pat*

[sandinista]

One trick pony at it again. LAME.

[Coito ergo sum]

Coito:

Of course, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to provoke a sate of terror IN THE ENEMY, but not the general populace, not the civilians. Actually, the bombings in Afghanistan are intended to blow the enemies up, so they are no longer alive. Failing that, the bombings are intended to maim them so they are out of commission. And, failing that, they are intended to terrorize the enemy combatants. But, the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them.

They aren't eh? Says who? You? Bullshit. Like the US has never targeted the civilian population, what a load of crap.

I never said they "never" did or didn't do this, that or the other thing.

You're the one claiming every military base is a terrorist training camp. This is about your load of crap.

You DID say "the US is not intending to kill or injure civilians or to terrorize them." THAT is a load of crap.

Generally speaking, my statement is true. It's the rare case where it is not true. That's especially true over the last 10 years, where the ability and desire to be careful is far greater than it was in, say, WW2. When we firebombed cities like Dresden. However, that was a war against probably the greatest military machine the world had ever seen, one that took the combined effort of the United State, Soviet Union, and Great Britain, among others, to defeat with full mobilization by all concerned.

Hijacking airliners and flying them into the world trade center buildings was terrorism, bombing Dresden in WW2 was not. If you had to make your best effort to defend that proposition - what would you say? What's your best argument for that proposition? I'll grant you that you don't agree with it - I'll grant that you oppose it. Just humor me - give your best Devil's Advocate argument in favor of it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

One trick pony at it again. LAME.

You could try to be original. Or is recycling your best effort?

[Trolldor]

Watching you guys is like watching a really bad pantomime.

And given their qualities I'd say that's an... "achievement".