Across the US, Mosque Projects Meet Opposition

[Coito ergo sum]

"There is no question there is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some. And I join those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded," she said. "How is this being ginned up that here we are talking about Treasure Island, something we've been working on for decades, something of great interest to our community as we go forward to an election about the future of our country and two of the first three questions are about a zoning issue in New York City." (h/t Kristinn)

Calls to investigate the funding for those proposing the $100 million "Cordoba House" have fallen on deaf ears, though, as New York's Mayor Mike Bloomberg has described such an investigation as "un-American."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/wat ... mosque-op/

Un-American to investigate how the Cordoba House group is funded, but we SHOULD investigate those who voice opposition to the Mosque. What....the....fuck?

[Coito ergo sum]

Ailing 9/11 responders slammed President Obama on Tuesday for sounding off on the Ground Zero mosque while keeping silent on a $7.2 billion health care bill.

"Why have you failed us? We thought you would be our champion" in pushing the legislation, John Feal wrote to Obama.

One of the thousands who worked at The Pile after the World Trade Center attacks, Feal heads the Fealgood Foundation supporting the responders.

The plight of the Ground Zero heroes, still suffering and dying from illnesses brought on by the toxic cloud over the twin towers' ruins, has taken a backseat to the political posturing over the mosque, Feal said.

The mosque's location "is not an issue for us," he told Obama.

"It is disturbing that you have the time and energy to speak in favor of the mosque, but not on the health crisis caused by the attacks," said Feal, who lost part of a foot when a steel beam fell on him during cleanup work.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/201 ... z0wxfdk51f

[Trolldor]

More bullshit about respecting culture.

In the words of Ayaan Hsiri Ali:

"All men are born equal, but not all cultures are equal."

[Eriku]

You grant the right to free worship or no worship in your country. End of.

Things have been made more tense by the dawning realisation that Ramadan is set to end on September 11th this year, with the end of Ramadan being cause for celebration. The rules that place it on the 11th have been in place for ages, so it's not a matter of intentional provocation, but I can't imagine it going along with no incident.

And then you have hypocritical fucktards like these: http://www.doveworld.org/blog/ten-reaso ... rn-a-koran

Makes for a funny read... all the points could either be flipped to apply to Christianity, or you could dig up analogous criticisms against Christianity based on the Bible.

I submitted a comment that ended with me urging them to judge not lest they themselves be judged, and to take heed of JC's definition of a hypocrite... but somehow I reckon it might not pass their admin's standards.

[Coito ergo sum]

You grant the right to free worship or no worship in your country. End of.

We also grant the right of free speech in this country, and while the Cordoba Institute has the right to build the Mosque within generally applicable city ordinances and regulations, etc., every individual has the right to express their opposition to it, or other opinion regarding it.

[Eriku]

You grant the right to free worship or no worship in your country. End of.

We also grant the right of free speech in this country, and while the Cordoba Institute has the right to build the Mosque within generally applicable city ordinances and regulations, etc., every individual has the right to express their opposition to it, or other opinion regarding it.

I keep reading all sorts of statements from Christians insisting they shouldn't be allowed to build mosques at all, and other equally weird things, considering the reason why people flocked to the continent in the first place ;P

[Coito ergo sum]

You grant the right to free worship or no worship in your country. End of.

We also grant the right of free speech in this country, and while the Cordoba Institute has the right to build the Mosque within generally applicable city ordinances and regulations, etc., every individual has the right to express their opposition to it, or other opinion regarding it.

I keep reading all sorts of statements from Christians insisting they shouldn't be allowed to build mosques at all, and other equally weird things, considering the reason why people flocked to the continent in the first place ;P

There are a variety of opinions, some of which are as you stated. Some are that the mosque shouldn't be built because it is in poor taste. Some object to its proximity to the 9/11/01 site, but don't object to it being elsewhere.

I think the Cordoba Institute are Sha'ria loving slimeballs, who are probably sending funds to groups like Hamas. I hope they are being investigated.

They can build the Mosque the same as anyone can build a church. But, they are still a pack of scumbag Muslims who chose the location for a very specific, and unfriendly, purpose. They can suck my balls, and I hope it burns to the ground.

[Coito ergo sum]

Ground zero mosque Imam says US is worse than Al Qaeta...... http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38673

Fuck him, and fuck his group's filthy cultural center.

[devogue]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie. "

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave
Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie.

"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. "

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.
Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie.

I don't like Islam much either, but the greatness of America will be realised on the day the mosque is opened near Ground Zero. If it's on September 11th 2011, send along the mayor to shake their hand.

[Santa_Claus]

Seems some people are confusing free speech with rank stupidity.

Would you allow someone to issue an order to execute you - simply to preserve his right to free speech?

Just goes to show that on average Atheism contains as many retards as religionism.

[maiforpeace]

Seems some people are confusing free speech with rank stupidity.

Would you allow someone to issue an order to execute you - simply to preserve his right to free speech?

Just goes to show that on average Atheism contains as many retards as religionism.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two different things. This issue is about freedom of religion, not speech.

[owtth]

Unfortunately, in this case, if they comply with building and zoning laws, they have as much right to build their hate-mongering, crap-spewing den of garbage as anyone else. I only hope they are investigated and audited by the IRS to ensure full compliance with all nonprofit rules and applicable Revenue Code provisions, as well as a nice healthy investigation by the FBI, NSA and CIA to root out any aid and assistance they may be giving to terrorist organizations. If it's discovered they are doing anything illegal, seize the place and sell it.

Well shucks yeah. It would be swell if they went around raping babies too then we could massacre them with impunity. Sadly that is not the case. They appear to be just as crazy as any other hate spewing religion and I would imagine that most prominent members or associated persons has been examined in much greater detail than most members of evangelical churches or other such wackaloons. So yeah the brouhaha over this is, in my view, purely racist or war related and has very little to do with actual religion as most US muslims (or muslims anywhere), no matter how much I disagree with them or their fucked up creed, are a million miles from terrorists. The Imam backing this seems to me to be a much more down to Earth person than most religious leaders tarred with the 'extremist' brush.

[Santa_Claus]

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two different things. This issue is about freedom of religion, not speech.

No it's not. It's about both. and at least half a dozen other things.

But my point is that stupidity is not the answer, even if an Atheist. And in this case playing fairly to muslims by applying rules designed for the rational / for folks seeking to become part of the host society is stupidity. no matter that the motivation is noble.

$100m for a Mosque? that ain't come from a collection bucket - follk somewhere with an agenda. smells of Saudi to me. And very telling the money ain't going to Pakistan.

[maiforpeace]

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two different things. This issue is about freedom of religion, not speech.

No it's not. It's about both. and at least half a dozen other things.

But my point is that stupidity is not the answer, even if an Atheist. And in this case playing fairly to muslims by applying rules designed for the rational / for folks seeking to become part of the host society is stupidity. no matter that the motivation is noble.

$100m for a Mosque? that ain't come from a collection bucket - follk somewhere with an agenda. smells of Saudi to me. And very telling the money ain't going to Pakistan.

Ok, let me rephrase that. From a constitutional viewpoint this is about the freedom to assemble and worship freely. Whatever the real motivations are, and people's perceptions of this are another story. If they were prevented from building a mosque because others were offended by it, it would be a violation of the establishment clause, not a violation of their free speech rights.

[Coito ergo sum]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie. "

Well...no...unless you are a member of a misogynistic, homophobic group that supports terrorism and accuses the US of being worse than Al Qaeta, like the Cordoba Initiative, one of whose goals is to get Sha'ria law spread throughout the "non-Muslim" world, and spread its message of intolerance and eliminate the separation of church and state. The last time I checked, our liberty of free speech includes the liberty to oppose folks like that.

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave
Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie.

Who, besides you, is using the term "fuckin' Muzzie?" Most everyone I hear talking about this is taking the position that a group stating that the US is worse than Al Qaeta and which seeks to impose Sha'ria law on non-Muslims, is looking to open a "cultural center" very near ground zero. When faced with sincere messages from people whose family members died horribly that day, rather than take a conciliatory tone of compromise and seek to place the "cultural center" in a more acceptable place, they seek to rub salt in wounds and say "fuck you, we'll build it here." Nobody is talking about ALL Muslims. We're talking about THESE Muslims.
.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Unless you're a fuckin' Muzzie.

And freedom of speech. Just as you would most likely not suggest that people can't come out and protest the construction of a KKK or Nazi facility in a particular location, I have no idea why you think it is anathema to liberty for people to exercise that liberty in protesting the Cordoba Initiative's uncaring and unfeeling effort, and its generally hateful messages.

I don't like Islam much either, but the greatness of America will be realised on the day the mosque is opened near Ground Zero. If it's on September 11th 2011, send along the mayor to shake their hand.

Fuck that. Then vote mayor Bloomberg out of office, and put line of picketers outside the "cultural center" to send the clear messages: "No Sha'ria" - "No Oppression of Women," "No Homophobia," and "No Oppression." And, "Stop Spreading Your Bullshit."

The greatness of America is in the strength of its people to stand against despotism and theocracy, and to be privately intolerant of intolerance. Yes, the fucking monstrous dickbags have the right to build their cultural center, but we too have the right to consider them monstrous dickbags and to express that view. Fuck them, and fuck their fucking cultural center. It is a scourge. I fucking hate Islam, and I want its influence stop - not by the power of the State - but by the power of free people standing up and stating "no! we do not accept your Sha'ria. One, two, three, four! We don't want your fucking religion!"