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Post by sandinista » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:08 pm

What justification did AL QAETA have to attack the US?
Have a think. You tell me...why was the US attacked? Why the twin towers and the pentagon?
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:09 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness.
Meeky, robots don't survive in the military. You don't know shit about the service but you are spouting off and it's just making you look ridiculous.
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Post by Robert_S » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:10 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote: September 11, 2001. The bad guys came to town.

Fucking civilians.
If the true bad guys didn't instigate it, never would have happened. Know your enemy.
Blame Abel, not Caine, eh. Fuck off.
yah, like the states were just innocent bystanders minding their own business when they were attacked. :pawiz: yourself. eh.
What justification did AL QAETA have to attack the US?
More specifically, what was their justification for attacking fucking civilians? Not that they didn't take adequate precautions to make sure that civilian casualties were prevented, but they intentionally targeted civilians.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:16 pm

RuleBritannia wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:I said "war free world" not just one country.
Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.
If it was possible it would have happened.
I'm a be-free life loving ex hippie, but even I'm not that naive.
100 years a peaceful Europe was a crazy fantasy.
It still is a crazy fantasy. It was only a few years ago that you had an attempted genocide, and a major war in Europe, and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Eastern Europe will erupt again.

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Post by sandinista » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:17 pm

Same reason the US attacks civilians, to create terror and fear. You don't have to go into the whole "not intentionally targeting civilians line" because I don't buy it. Feel free to, of course, if you do, but I don't. They clearly have and continue to do so. Besides that, the attacks were obviously symbolic. I also wouldn't really call the pentagon attack a civilian target.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:18 pm

sandinista wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
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sandinista wrote:How so?
Because your posts are such that it appears you think US is worse than totalitarian regimes.
What do you mean by "worse"?
Bad or ill in a greater or higher degree - more unfavorable or injurious. You now, worse.
In what regard?
In general.

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sandinista wrote:Same reason the US attacks civilians, to create terror and fear. You don't have to go into the whole "not intentionally targeting civilians line" because I don't buy it. Feel free to, of course, if you do, but I don't. They clearly have and continue to do so.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Meekychuppet » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:21 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness.
Meeky, robots don't survive in the military. You don't know shit about the service but you are spouting off and it's just making you look ridiculous.
I didn't say you were a robot. I'm pretty sure abusing anyone who dares to question the actions of the military is ridiculous. I'm English though so at least you can't accuse me of treason. You've no doubt seen plenty and been exposed to the best and worst of humanity. My grandad was a Desert Rat who later served in the SAS - I loved hearing about it too, but you know what? Around my teens his stories took a different turn when I realised the madness of armed conflict. Name any armed conflict that the world has endured and, barring a few exceptions (6 day war for example) I am willing to bet it would been been cheaper and more productive to spend the money and human cost differently.

Here's a wacky idea - if we're going to invest trillions in cash and many lives and livelihoods in to to regime change in Iraq/Afghanistan, why not go over and install housing and sanitation? I know it's different but I think it's better than blowing the shit out of the place. Why not educate their children? It will not be simple for sure, but does anyone on this board really want to argue that the West has acquitted itself well in the Middle East over the last decade?

Why not spend the trillions developing green tech so we don't need the oil we're <not> fighting for?

Why not put humans on Mars?

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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Meekychuppet » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:23 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
RuleBritannia wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:I said "war free world" not just one country.
Doesn't matter. It can be accomplished.
If it was possible it would have happened.
I'm a be-free life loving ex hippie, but even I'm not that naive.
100 years a peaceful Europe was a crazy fantasy.
It still is a crazy fantasy. It was only a few years ago that you had an attempted genocide, and a major war in Europe, and it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that Eastern Europe will erupt again.
No ti isn't. There are still conflicts but not like a century ago.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:25 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness.
Meeky, robots don't survive in the military. You don't know shit about the service but you are spouting off and it's just making you look ridiculous.
I didn't say you were a robot. I'm pretty sure abusing anyone who dares to question the actions of the military is ridiculous. I'm English though so at least you can't accuse me of treason. You've no doubt seen plenty and been exposed to the best and worst of humanity. My grandad was a Desert Rat who later served in the SAS - I loved hearing about it too, but you know what? Around my teens his stories took a different turn when I realised the madness of armed conflict. Name any armed conflict that the world has endured and, barring a few exceptions (6 day war for example) I am willing to bet it would been been cheaper and more productive to spend the money and human cost differently.

Here's a wacky idea - if we're going to invest trillions in cash and many lives and livelihoods in to to regime change in Iraq/Afghanistan, why not go over and install housing and sanitation? I know it's different but I think it's better than blowing the shit out of the place. Why not educate their children? It will not be simple for sure, but does anyone on this board really want to argue that the West has acquitted itself well in the Middle East over the last decade?

Why not spend the trillions developing green tech so we don't need the oil we're <not> fighting for?

Why not put humans on Mars?

Why does it always have to be war?
Meeky, the military men would rather not fight wars. They're the first to get killed in most cases, 9/11 not withstanding. We would love to put down the gun, but it's not going to happen as long as we have more people than human beings.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:25 pm

sandinista wrote:
What justification did AL QAETA have to attack the US?
Have a think. You tell me...why was the US attacked? Why the twin towers and the pentagon?
Not because we attacked them. Whatever economic gripe they had is irrelevant. They claimed to be pissed off about Palestine, and they claimed to be pissed off that our dirty bootheels were on holy ground in Saudi Arabia. None of that shit means anything to me.

One, Al Qaeta does not have standing to gripe about what Saudi Arabia allows on their land, and certainly does not have a right to attack countries because they don't like our dirty infidel feet sullying their soil. Two, they an bitch all they want about Israel and Palestine, but none of it is a justification for war on the US. And, if they feel that Arab people are economically bad off and it's the US's fault, then their recourse is through operation of law and not military action, particularly not military action against civilians.

Every reason that Al Qaeta raise, for example in their Declaration of War Against the United States, is not a legitimate reason to murder civilians in a mass hijacking, it's not a legitimate reason to blow up our Embassies.

Other than that, I'm not going speculate about what you think the reasons or justifications were. You seem to think that 9/11 was a justifiable attack - it's your position, so you go ahead and explain why you think it is. I'm not going to "have a think" and guess what reason you might have latched on to. Make your own case, and stop asking others to guess what it is you're saying. Just fucking say what you mean instead of beating about the bush.

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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by sandinista » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:28 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
sandinista wrote:Same reason the US attacks civilians, to create terror and fear. You don't have to go into the whole "not intentionally targeting civilians line" because I don't buy it. Feel free to, of course, if you do, but I don't. They clearly have and continue to do so.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:30 pm

sandinista wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
sandinista wrote:Same reason the US attacks civilians, to create terror and fear. You don't have to go into the whole "not intentionally targeting civilians line" because I don't buy it. Feel free to, of course, if you do, but I don't. They clearly have and continue to do so.
No arguing with faith.
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So, you have faith in ping pong? Peaking early I see.
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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Meekychuppet » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:33 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:I realise that your whole military life you were told certain things about what you were doing but in reality you were like every other enrolled rating/officer/whatever. You were a hired gun. You weren't paid or permitted to think, and whilst the willingness to walk in to the line of fire is admirable, the subservience and conformity of the military is its strength AND weakness.
Meeky, robots don't survive in the military. You don't know shit about the service but you are spouting off and it's just making you look ridiculous.
I didn't say you were a robot. I'm pretty sure abusing anyone who dares to question the actions of the military is ridiculous. I'm English though so at least you can't accuse me of treason. You've no doubt seen plenty and been exposed to the best and worst of humanity. My grandad was a Desert Rat who later served in the SAS - I loved hearing about it too, but you know what? Around my teens his stories took a different turn when I realised the madness of armed conflict. Name any armed conflict that the world has endured and, barring a few exceptions (6 day war for example) I am willing to bet it would been been cheaper and more productive to spend the money and human cost differently.

Here's a wacky idea - if we're going to invest trillions in cash and many lives and livelihoods in to to regime change in Iraq/Afghanistan, why not go over and install housing and sanitation? I know it's different but I think it's better than blowing the shit out of the place. Why not educate their children? It will not be simple for sure, but does anyone on this board really want to argue that the West has acquitted itself well in the Middle East over the last decade?

Why not spend the trillions developing green tech so we don't need the oil we're <not> fighting for?

Why not put humans on Mars?

Why does it always have to be war?
Meeky, the military men would rather not fight wars. They're the first to get killed in most cases, 9/11 not withstanding. We would love to put down the gun, but it's not going to happen as long as we have more people than human beings.
Your incredulity regarding peace proves nothing.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

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Re: 92,000 classified military documents leaked

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:36 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:Your incredulity regarding peace proves nothing.
Most people are stupid. Stupid people are easily controlled. The manipulators will get them to liking the idea of a war very easily. Then the military men are sent out to get killed.
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