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Translation Please

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:08 pm

I saw this poster on the wall of the Episcopal Church where my toastmasters group meets with the following question:

"Considering the fact that Jesus had his doubts, why can't you? "

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Doubts about what?
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Re: Translation Please

Post by klr » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:10 pm

maiforpeace wrote:I saw this poster on the wall of the Episcopal Church where my toastmasters group meets with the following question:

"Considering the fact that Jesus had his doubts, why can't you? "

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Doubts about what?
In the Garden of Gethsemane, you ignorant heathen. :cranky:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:10 pm

I reckon he wasn't all that keen on the whole being nailed to a plank plan.
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Post by klr » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:11 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:I reckon he wasn't all that keen on the whole being nailed to a plank plan.
That's the plain language way of putting it. :lol:
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Re: Translation Please

Post by Animavore » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:12 pm

How can God have doubts about himself?
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Re: Translation Please

Post by klr » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:14 pm

Animavore wrote:How can God have doubts about himself?
It's a deep theological issue, and that's no lie. Perhaps you should go back to church to seek enlightenment on this grave matter. :coffee:


Either that or just go the pub again. :drunk:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:16 pm

Oh Mary, Mungo and Midge, let's not have some kind of Trinitarian-based schism, we have enough on our plate.
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Post by cowiz » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:17 pm

Roughly translated it means "It's all a bag of shite"

Hope that helped
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Re: Translation Please

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:21 pm

pawiz wrote:Roughly translated it means "It's all a bag of shite"

Hope that helped
I figured that much, but it doesn't help.
Clinton Huxley wrote:I reckon he wasn't all that keen on the whole being nailed to a plank plan.
He had doubts about dying? He didn't have much of a choice, did he?
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:24 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
pawiz wrote:Roughly translated it means "It's all a bag of shite"

Hope that helped
I figured that much, but it doesn't help.
Clinton Huxley wrote:I reckon he wasn't all that keen on the whole being nailed to a plank plan.
He had doubts about dying? He didn't have much of a choice, did he?
"So, Dad/Me/HolyGhostChap, lets go through this plan of ours again, just to see if we've got it straight......"
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I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled"

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Re: Translation Please

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:29 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
pawiz wrote:Roughly translated it means "It's all a bag of shite"

Hope that helped
I figured that much, but it doesn't help.
Clinton Huxley wrote:I reckon he wasn't all that keen on the whole being nailed to a plank plan.
He had doubts about dying? He didn't have much of a choice, did he?
"So, Dad/Me/HolyGhostChap, lets go through this plan of ours again, just to see if we've got it straight......"
Aha. Thanks for clarifying that. :tup:

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Re: Translation Please

Post by Apogee » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:55 pm

'eh... It's actually something that discussed a lot among church groups.

Essentially, it's clear Jesus did not doubt his divinity, he also did not doubt "the father". He could have been said to have doubt about the current practices. But his faith was "perfect" so to say. He was, however, constantly tempted. It could be doubts about whether he could overcome those temptations, although him having "perfect faith" would seem to say not... but he knew he would be resurrected.



Maybe the person who wrote that question(which is very poorly worded) forgot to add "seriously? Anyone? I don't know the answer!"

Really, it's all just bullshit, and they don't really know what they are talking about. But the above is what a christian reply might look like.

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Re: Translation Please

Post by maiforpeace » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:59 pm

Apogee wrote:'eh... It's actually something that discussed a lot among church groups.

Essentially, it's clear Jesus did not doubt his divinity, he also did not doubt "the father". He could have been said to have doubt about the current practices. But his faith was "perfect" so to say. He was, however, constantly tempted. It could be doubts about whether he could overcome those temptations, although him having "perfect faith" would seem to say not... but he knew he would be resurrected.



Maybe the person who wrote that question(which is very poorly worded) forgot to add "seriously? Anyone? I don't know the answer!"

Really, it's all just bullshit, and they don't really know what they are talking about. But the above is what a christian reply might look like.
It actually was a generic poster that came from the Episcopal Church of America or some such organization.
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Re: Translation Please

Post by T. Kari » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:31 am

Apogee wrote:'eh... It's actually something that discussed a lot among church groups.

Essentially, it's clear Jesus did not doubt his divinity, he also did not doubt "the father". He could have been said to have doubt about the current practices. But his faith was "perfect" so to say. He was, however, constantly tempted. It could be doubts about whether he could overcome those temptations, although him having "perfect faith" would seem to say not... but he knew he would be resurrected.



Maybe the person who wrote that question(which is very poorly worded) forgot to add "seriously? Anyone? I don't know the answer!"

Really, it's all just bullshit, and they don't really know what they are talking about. But the above is what a christian reply might look like.
But it makes absolutely zero sense! :/ I cannot possibly believe that anyone can find this credulous in any way. But somehow they do, I don't get it.

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Re: Translation Please

Post by tnjrp » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:37 am

I think it's pretty obvious, actually. To wit: "Jesus AKA Son of God AKA God had doubts about his divinity and so on and so forth, yet he saved us all (well, those who pass certain qualifications anyway). So you, as a mere Christian sinner, can absolutely have doubts about the veracity of the teaching of the church and indeed about the very existence of the divine itself and remain a Christian, and be saved at the end of the day".
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