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Has your opinion about Richard Dawkins changed due to the recent RDF events?

No. He is not responsible of the management and decitions taken by his staff.
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7%
Not really. My opinion is based on just his contributions in science and atheism, not on his persona.
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23%
A little bit. He is still one of my favorite atheist leaders, but I feel somewhat let down.
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19%
Quite. It was unexpected and against what I thought he advocated for.
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21%
Yes. I feel insulted and mistreated and his erasing of scientific posts is like a nazi book burning.
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17%
Yes. I won't buy his books or support his causes from now on.
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5%
Cheese and/or Bacon
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9%
 
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by CTC » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:34 pm

Short of buying a pin, I hadn't contributed a dime to the foundation anyway, and now there's zero chance I ever will. And while I won't go so far as to say I wouldn't buy any of his books, I no longer feel the least bit sorry about downloading a couple of them.

This whole thing reeks like something out of Nabokov.

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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by hackenslash » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:40 pm

I would be surprised if Richard was fully aware of precisely what went on last night, and I also suspect that he's been led by Josh and the other techs to at least soome degree. I'll reserve judgement until I hear what he has to say himself.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by SevenOfNine » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:49 pm

If he [Dawkins] was really still interested in our cause he would not have allowed Josh and co to dismantle a community of 85,000 members, at least 20,000 or so who put a great deal of time and effort into the fora.

I agree with Tony that we should wait before passing final judgment, and we will see what he has to say for himself at the conference. Right now, I can't help but think that RD, Josh and Andrew deserve the Templeton Prize for their efforts. One million bucks, perhaps they will commission Robert Byers to write biology text books for the next generation at school. :tdown:
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by I'm With Stupid » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:52 pm

hackenslash wrote:I would be surprised if Richard was fully aware of precisely what went on last night, and I also suspect that he's been led by Josh and the other techs to at least soome degree. I'll reserve judgement until I hear what he has to say himself.
He might not know the impact of what happened, but he'll have known about it. Both he and the admin are completely removed from the process, which makes it very easy to make cowardly decisions in a cowardly way.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by hackenslash » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:53 pm

CTC wrote:This whole thing reeks like something out of Nabokov.
I was thinking more like Kafka.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by laklak » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:01 pm

hackenslash wrote:
CTC wrote:This whole thing reeks like something out of Nabokov.
I was thinking more like Kafka.
You mean like when Josh woke up and realized he was a fucking cockroach? No, make that a "cuntroach". From the sniveling weasely way this was done it's obvious he doesn't have either a cock or balls.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by Kristie » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:02 pm

laklak wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
CTC wrote:This whole thing reeks like something out of Nabokov.
I was thinking more like Kafka.
You mean like when Josh woke up and realized he was a fucking cockroach? No, make that a "cuntroach". From the sniveling weasely way this was done it's obvious he doesn't have either a cock or balls.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by Mazille » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:11 pm

FIO wrote:
laklak wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
CTC wrote:This whole thing reeks like something out of Nabokov.
I was thinking more like Kafka.
You mean like when Josh woke up and realized he was a fucking cockroach? No, make that a "cuntroach". From the sniveling weasely way this was done it's obvious he doesn't have either a cock or balls.
That's very insulting to women! ;)
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by fuck you & fuck your god » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:13 pm

SevenOfNine wrote:If he [Dawkins] was really still interested in our cause he would not have allowed Josh and co to dismantle a community of 85,000 members, at least 20,000 or so who put a great deal of time and effort into the fora.

I agree with Tony that we should wait before passing final judgment, and we will see what he has to say for himself at the conference. Right now, I can't help but think that RD, Josh and Andrew deserve the Templeton Prize for their efforts. One million bucks, perhaps they will commission Robert Byers to write biology text books for the next generation at school. :tdown:
I also want to wait to see what RD says, I am v v anticipating you guys report from the conference, wish I could be there.

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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by Paul1 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:19 pm

I'm so glad I decided to borrow his book from the library instead. It has only damaged my opinion slightly. On one had his delay in releasing a statement about the management of his organisation looks bad, but on the other hand, I don't suppose he is fully aware of how a site upgrade is best rolled out, and agreed willy nilly to whatever his team suggested to him. I think it'd be fair, before passing judgement, that someone in a previous administrator position, like Topsy or some other admin kicked out, contact Richard and calmly explain the situation.

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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:21 pm

fuck you & fuck your god wrote:
SevenOfNine wrote:If he [Dawkins] was really still interested in our cause he would not have allowed Josh and co to dismantle a community of 85,000 members, at least 20,000 or so who put a great deal of time and effort into the fora.

I agree with Tony that we should wait before passing final judgment, and we will see what he has to say for himself at the conference. Right now, I can't help but think that RD, Josh and Andrew deserve the Templeton Prize for their efforts. One million bucks, perhaps they will commission Robert Byers to write biology text books for the next generation at school. :tdown:
I also want to wait to see what RD says, I am v v anticipating you guys report from the conference, wish I could be there.

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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by Kristie » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:23 pm

fuck you & fuck your god wrote:
SevenOfNine wrote:If he [Dawkins] was really still interested in our cause he would not have allowed Josh and co to dismantle a community of 85,000 members, at least 20,000 or so who put a great deal of time and effort into the fora.

I agree with Tony that we should wait before passing final judgment, and we will see what he has to say for himself at the conference. Right now, I can't help but think that RD, Josh and Andrew deserve the Templeton Prize for their efforts. One million bucks, perhaps they will commission Robert Byers to write biology text books for the next generation at school. :tdown:
I also want to wait to see what RD says, I am v v anticipating you guys report from the conference, wish I could be there.

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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by locutus7 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:35 pm

Paul1 wrote:I'm so glad I decided to borrow his book from the library instead. It has only damaged my opinion slightly. On one had his delay in releasing a statement about the management of his organisation looks bad, but on the other hand, I don't suppose he is fully aware of how a site upgrade is best rolled out, and agreed willy nilly to whatever his team suggested to him. I think it'd be fair, before passing judgement, that someone in a previous administrator position, like Topsy or some other admin kicked out, contact Richard and calmly explain the situation.
This is a good point. In the corporate world, change - such as mergers - is often done by bean-counters without considering the emotional investments of people involved. Good companies prepare the people for the upcoming change well in advance, and incorporate their feedback as much as possible. This allows people to vent, and management to correct misperceptions BEFORE action is taken.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by ficklefiend » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:42 pm

I am hoping right now that it is ignorance that has let us get to this state, but I don't base my views on Richard (it feels weird typing his name as that and not being on RDF *tear*) on how he handles, or ignores, his web presence.
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Re: Poll about the impact of the purge

Post by laklak » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:57 pm

I doubt we'll ever hear a thing from RD, Josh or Andrew. I don't think they give a rat's ass about the ex-mods and members they've cut off, or the thousands of ON TOPIC, RELEVANT, THOROUGHLY RESEARCHED posts made by so many intelligent, rational, highly educated people. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, I've met fucking lab rats with more gratitude then they've shown.

Yeah, maybe there were too many off topic posts, but really, how fucking on topic can you stay in Debunking Cretinism? After a rigorous carpet bombing by Cali, susu, Hack, Spearthrower and others there wasn't much else to say, other than to discuss the relevance of Cheesy Sticks.

A better approach would have been to put the offending forums into a different, members only category, with lots of warnings and cautions.

Oh well, things change, can't step into the same river twice, life goes on and all that.
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