Vaccination: mandated and/or incentivised

[JimC]

My nephew the surgeon has COVID for the second time, after already having it once, being fully vaccinated, AND having a booster two weeks ago.

We're fucked, we can't control this thing.

Hope it's just a mild dose lak.

From all accounts it would be only mild, although with Delta, he could still be infectious for a period of time. Until a population has 90% vaccination, including children, there will still be a need for a variety of public health measures and restrictions. Even after that, it would probably be a good idea to wear masks in crowded indoor settings, and shun the unvaccinated morons...

[Scot Dutchy]

He wont end up in hospital.

[NineBerry]

Matter of probability

[Scot Dutchy]

No fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital. Our RIVM has just completed a study.

[NineBerry]

No fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital. Our RIVM has just completed a study.

Fairy study.

[Scot Dutchy]

Yep but absolute facts. 19 out the 20 who end up in hospital are not fully vaccinated. Simple hard fact or not. Binary surely.

[JimC]

That seems to imply that 1 out of 20 who are hospitalised are vaccinated. As 9B said, a matter of probabilities. But certainly a vastly improved health outcome via vaccination...

[JimC]

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/ ... 58mjk.html

Unvaccinated people will not be able to enter restaurants, bars and other hospitality venues once NSW begins opening up after reaching a 70 per cent vaccination rate, under a proposal being considered by the state government.

Consultation with industry groups is under way to discuss the option to require all hospitality staff and patrons to prove they have received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine when NSW reopens.

[Scot Dutchy]

That seems to imply that 1 out of 20 who are hospitalised are vaccinated. As 9B said, a matter of probabilities. But certainly a vastly improved health outcome via vaccination...

You cant say that. 1 in 20 has other reasons for being in hospital associated with Covid. The patient can be vaccinated but it has not worked for instance. Another subjective option.

[Scot Dutchy]

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/nsw/ ... 58mjk.html

Unvaccinated people will not be able to enter restaurants, bars and other hospitality venues once NSW begins opening up after reaching a 70 per cent vaccination rate, under a proposal being considered by the state government.

Consultation with industry groups is under way to discuss the option to require all hospitality staff and patrons to prove they have received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine when NSW reopens.

That happens here already. You dont need two doses of Janssen to be fully vaccinated.

[JimC]

That seems to imply that 1 out of 20 who are hospitalised are vaccinated. As 9B said, a matter of probabilities. But certainly a vastly improved health outcome via vaccination...

You cant say that. 1 in 20 has other reasons for being in hospital associated with Covid. The patient can be vaccinated but it has not worked for instance. Another subjective option.

Vaccination is not 100% certain to prevent you becoming really sick after catching the virus. As you said, "The patient can be vaccinated but it has not worked", which simply means that a small number of people have only a weak immune response to being vaccinated, and are therefore vulnerable. But this is a trivial argument - we both agree that vaccination is the way forward, it reduces both the chance of catching the virus and passing it on (this protecting the community), and greatly reduces the potential harm if you do catch it.

[JimC]

Having made the post above, I'm wondering if there is any way of testing the antibody response in people a couple of weeks after being fully vaccinated. Perhaps this could identify the small number of people with a weak response, and they could be advised to take greater precautions...

[laklak]

He's feeling shit, but says it's not as bad as the first case. He wears a mask the entire time he's at work, practices as much social distancing as is possible when you're cutting people open, and is religious about disinfecting. Unfortunately his wife has it also, and she's 8 months pregnant and unvaccinated (they won't vaccinate pregnant people and she has auto-immune issues to boot). We're hoping she manages to keep the baby.

[NineBerry]

Fingers crossed

[Brian Peacock]

... fully vaccinated dont end up in hospital...

Make your mind up.

... 19 out the 20 who end up in hospital are not fully vaccinated...

c.5% of people in hospital with Covid are vaccinated.