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Re: US Election 2020

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:34 pm

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PA attorney general plus Ben G on bizarro case
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The Kraken at least got to prance around for a while. The Texas buffoonery is a still birth with some dismaying deformities (or should be--there's a small chance that the 'conservative' justices might actually decide to throw their credibility to the wind).

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Post by Seabass » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:54 pm

The Republican party has openly declared war on what little is left of US democracy. This is not "humoring Trump". This is not a few fringe loonies. This is one of the country's two major parties attempting a coup d'etat. This is one of our two major political parties telling 81.3 million Americans that our votes don't count because we are not "real Americans" on account of having the wrong religion or race. These Republicans have decided that white Christians have been chosen by their stupid god to have dominion over this land.

Anyone who continues to support this thoroughly evil, corrupt fascist political organization is guilty of treason as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who thinks both sides are the same or even kind of close to the same needs to have their head examined. This is fucking insane and unprecedented.

17 Republican Attorneys General Back Trump in Far-Fetched Election Lawsuit

106 House Republicans back Texas challenge of election results at Supreme Court
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:58 pm

You know that the Republicans are going to move hell and high water to change the electoral rules of the states they control even more in their favour in the next four years. Democrats should be making an argument for a federal election for the presidency decided by popular vote alone with every citizen being automatically registered.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:12 pm

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You know that the Republicans are going to move hell and high water to change the electoral rules of the states they control even more in their favour in the next four years. Democrats should be making an argument for a federal election for the presidency decided by popular vote alone with every citizen being automatically registered.
The Dems and even some Republicans have tried to abolish the EC several times in the past but have always come up short. Unfortunately, it requires a constitutional amendment, and those aren't easy to come by.

Remember those voting bills that I showed you earlier? The "tinkering" ones?

viewtopic.php?p=1883747#p1883747

One of those has automatic voting registration among other things. Nothing like this is going to survive exposure to Mitch McConnell...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:20 pm

Mitch will die soon. The argument however must be made, and made again, and again.
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Post by Tero » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:26 pm

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The attorneys general from the four states echoed each other in their rebukes of the lawsuit, offer choice words in their court filings about Texas’ lawsuit.

Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania’s Democratic attorney general, wrote in the state’s filing that Texas is asking the court “to reconsider a mass of baseless claims”, saying the lawsuit adds to the “cacophony of bogus false claims” about the election. Dana Nessel, Michigan’s Democratic attorney general, wrote that the Texas challenge is “without factual foundation or a valid legal basis”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... 6ff597e287

Filings from defenders
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... 8K2NU?il=0

“The challenge here is an unprecedented one, without factual foundation or a valid legal basis,” Nessel wrote in Michigan’s filing.

Chris Carr, Georgia’s Republican attorney general, noted like the others that Texas cannot show it has been harmed by the election results in other states.

“The novel and far-reaching claims that Texas asserts, and the breathtaking remedies it seeks, are impossible to ground in legal principles and unmanageable,” Carr wrote in Georgia’s filing.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:54 pm

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Response to the motion for leave to file a bill of complaint and to the motion for a preliminary injunction and temporary restraining order or, alternatively, for stay and administrative stay requested, due Thursday, December 10, by 3 pm.

10 more minutes for the accused states to respond. Or for Trump to show us on the doll where 4 states hurt him.
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Re: US Election 2020

Post by Tero » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:00 pm

Very well.

Moving on
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Trump pushed a related message via Twitter yesterday morning, insisting there's "massive evidence of widespread fraud" in the states targeted by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's lawsuit.

But a funny thing happened a few hours later. After publishing a tweet in the morning about the "massive evidence of widespread fraud," the president and his controversial lawyer released a court filing making largely the opposite point:
See link
Oh. So the initial claim was Team Trump has evidence of fraud, but the new claim is that the evidence is "undetectable," which is why no one can see it.

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Post by Tero » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:16 am

Jerrold Nadler
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of the house committee was on MSNBC. The electoral college votes are counted in early January. Trump people, Republicans will object the counting of votes from the 4 borderline states. The House and Senate then have separate sessions. The House will vote to approve. The Senate will not. It then goes to the 4 states. The officials in the 4 states once more have to make some statement. The votes will, probably all be counted then.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:16 am

Probably?
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Post by Seabass » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:31 am

The GOP Abandons Democracy
One hundred and six Republican members of Congress, and 18 state attorneys general, are asking the Supreme Court to overturn the election.


When Donald Trump was granted a coat of arms for his Scottish golf courses in 2012 (after a lengthy court battle, of course), he chose as its motto “Numquam concedere”: Never concede. He has not, even as it has become clear that he lost the presidential election by a wide margin.

In the first few weeks after the election, anonymous Republicans and White House officials insisted that Trump’s lack of a concession was no reason for alarm. They assured reporters that Trump knew he’d lost and just needed time to process his defeat—and to put up enough of a fight that he could maintain his image. Perhaps that was true, and perhaps it remains true now, but Trump isn’t acting like someone working through the stages of grief. He’s acting like someone working through a slow-motion (and probably doomed) autogolpe.

Instead of Republican officeholders waiting out Trump’s postelection tantrum, he is waiting them out, and slowly bringing the party around to his side. In this way, Trump is ending his presidency just the way he won it: by correctly recognizing what Republican voters want and giving it to them, and gradually forcing the party’s purported leaders to follow along.

This embrace of the president’s attempt to overturn the results of the election is both shocking and horrifying. As Trump’s fraud claims and legal cases have steadily failed, the arguments he has pursued have become more outlandish and absurd, and they have also become more disturbing. Many Republican voters agree, and in refusing to stand up to him and them, Republican officials have gone from coddling a sore loser to effectively abandoning democracy.

Yesterday, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed a lawsuit in the Supreme Court asking the justices to toss out the election results in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. (The Court has “original jurisdiction” over cases between states, acting like a trial court.) Trump announced that he would intervene in the case on his own behalf. “This is the big one,” he tweeted.

Legal experts have heaped disdain on the case. Rick Hasen labels it “dangerous garbage, but garbage.” The case complains that the states changed their election rules late in the process, but that is true of many states that sought to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic. These states just happen to have been called late and to have voted for Joe Biden.

The case is the apotheosis of Trump’s shifting legal strategies. Initially, he had sought to have some ballots disqualified, alleging fraud. These claims were dangerous; there is no evidence of widespread fraud, disenfranchising legal voters is unjust, and such attacks can undermine faith in future elections. As this strategy failed, undone by the lack of evidence, Trump and his allies began seeking to toss wholesale the results that don’t help him. First, the president tried to pressure Republican elected officials, including legislative leaders in Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia’s governor and secretary of state, to throw out results. When they refused, the effort moved on to the Supreme Court’s nine unelected justices.

That Paxton would file such a lawsuit isn’t a huge surprise. He is a hard conservative who has often used the court system to dubious ends. Perhaps more to the point (as Senator Ben Sasse, the Nebraska Republican, notes), Paxton is also facing some serious legal problems, and would benefit from a pardon before Trump leaves offices.

More surprising is that 17 Republican state attorneys general filed a brief in support of Paxton’s suit, a sizable majority of the top Republican law-enforcement officials in the country. Then 106 Republican members of the U.S. House did the same. When Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr, a Republican, called the suit “constitutionally, legally and factually wrong,” he received a threatening phone call from Trump. Meanwhile, the state’s two GOP U.S. senators, both of whom are competing in a January runoff, endorsed the lawsuit that seeks to throw out the vote in Georgia. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas has reportedly agreed to Trump’s request that he argue the case if the justices take it up.

Many of these people may be going along not in spite of the fact that the suit is preposterous, but because it is: The stakes appear lower if they don’t have to worry about the Court actually taking them seriously. That is a dangerous calculation. The case seems to face very, very long odds, though it takes only five members of the Court to turn the preposterous into precedent. Even if the case fails, though, these Republicans have set a course of being willing to oppose the results of elections simply because they don’t like them. That is by definition antidemocratic.
continued: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... cy/617359/
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Post by Hermit » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:40 am

Seabass wrote:
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Many of these people may be going along not in spite of the fact that the suit is preposterous, but because it is: The stakes appear lower if they don’t have to worry about the Court actually taking them seriously. That is a dangerous calculation. The case seems to face very, very long odds, though it takes only five members of the Court to turn the preposterous into precedent. Even if the case fails, though, these Republicans have set a course of being willing to oppose the results of elections simply because they don’t like them. That is by definition antidemocratic.
continued: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... cy/617359/
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Trump: "I won, because I was leading.." till he lost
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Post by Tero » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:06 pm

CNN
Will the justices read any of these amicus briefs?
It is unusual but not unprecedented to have so many briefs for such a case between states before the justices have even acted.

The justices often have clerks wade through the briefs seeking a perspective that might be worth the justices' valuable time. The jurists have thought long and hard about many of these issues, however, and were most likely bracing for court action given the tenor of the election. They may already be set in their views.

One thing for sure is that Chief Justice John Roberts would not want such an order to reflect a divided court. He'd most likely want the court to speak authoritatively, with no public dissents.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics ... index.html
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