The Coronavirus Thread

[Brian Peacock]

So the response of the HK protestors means nothing? The way many countries are imposing lockdown does not matter?

I don't know how you managed to extrapolate that from what I said, or where from. I doubt you could explain how or why you did either.

I know many countries are imposing control by force; Ireland, Belgium, Spain and Italy for a start. Irish friends of ours were fined and escorted back home by the Garda. Why is there such a rush to get the app ready?
It is a golden opportunity to impose it. I think your expectations of the poor are very misplaced.

What I'm seeing is you ignoring my previous points and favouring repetition and leading questions. It's very difficult to discuss this with you you know when the only justification you offer is the opinion that everyone in the world except for you are venal, malign, or stupid. Sure, many politicians qualify on all those counts - but people working in medicine and public health are, on the whole, working to help people, to protect them and improve their lives where possible. To listen to you you'd think that every doctor, nurse and public health specialist was a moral automatons and the puppets of right-wing nut-jobs.

Once again all you come up with are your 'facts'. It is not my opinion. You refuse to accept that there is any deviation from your 'norms'. That everyone is kosher and above board and that all politicians are genuine.

I just said that many politicians are clearly venal, malign, and/or stupid so please don't put words in my moouth.

I am sorry to disturb you but power corrupts and any chance of increasing power by one sector of society over another will be grabbed by both hands and used.

Is your doctor, who has the literal power of life and death over you, corrupt? As doctors progress in their careers do they become more corrupt and power-grabbing? What about nurses, or lab technicians, or health administrators? Do they go to work every day in a power-hungry froth and hoping that they can corrupt their way to the top? You see, I didn't naively suggest that everyone is lovely and nice, but specifically said that the ethos of the medical, nursing, and public health sector staff one in which "people are, on the whole, working to help people, to protect them and improve their lives where possible."

To think otherwise is doing a Jeremy. Medical staff dont differ to anyone else I am sorry. They are used as are so called experts to achieve the aim of any sector that has influence over them. Politics is not the reserve of politicians by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh god, this is so tedious. Who suggested that office politics, or professional politics, or institutional politics, or any or kind isn't at play in society? We're social apes. Everything we do in society is a negotiation. But with that view how can you ever trust the person who sells you some apples, or unblocks your loo, or who administrates our pension, or processes the results of your medical tests? If everyone is corruptible and corrupted then surely that applies to you too. How can we trust that anything you say has any reference to the truth, that it's actually what your genuinely think, that it isn't just some devious ploy to try and mislead or manipulate us?

Personally I think you comments says more about your views of others than it ever does about others themselves.

[pErvinalia]

Please stop, Brian. It's painful to watch. He's not going grasp anything you say, and the rest of us probably agree with everything you say (I can't be certain as it's too painful to read you trying to respectfully debate this clown).

[Brian Peacock]

I have a lot of time for Scot - clearly! And if proving me wrong gets him out of bed in the morning then my time isn't wasted.

[Scot Dutchy]

Oh god, this is so tedious. Who suggested that office politics, or professional politics, or institutional politics, or any or kind isn't at play in society? We're social apes. Everything we do in society is a negotiation. But with that view how can you ever trust the person who sells you some apples, or unblocks your loo, or who administrates our pension, or processes the results of your medical tests? If everyone is corruptible and corrupted then surely that applies to you too. How can we trust that anything you say has any reference to the truth, that it's actually what your genuinely think, that it isn't just some devious ploy to try and mislead or manipulate us?

Who is being tedious? You really are not consistent. This is exactly what you keep on repeating but keep on changing it.
Negotiation is a word not used in the UK. Confrontation is the standard approach which opens the corruption route.
Once again the personal attack and insult method as all else fails.

BTW I dont have to prove you wrong as you do a great job yourself. I have all the time for you as well. Some members have little understanding.

[pErvinalia]

I have a lot of time for Scot - clearly! And if proving me wrong gets him out of bed in the morning then my time isn't wasted.

You'll never prove him wrong. He's immune to reason.

[pErvinalia]

This is exactly what you keep on repeating but keep on changing it

See what I mean? In the one sentence he says you are repeating and changing at the same time. It's like the tides. You can't explain that..

[Brian Peacock]

I have a lot of time for Scot - clearly! And if proving me wrong gets him out of bed in the morning then my time isn't wasted.

You'll never prove him wrong. He's immune to reason.

You need to chill out mate I'm not interested in proving him wrong, just challenging his views and trying to articulate my own as best I can. It's only the internet forchrissakes!

[pErvinalia]

Sorry I misread. I thought you were about proving him wrong, not the other way around. Never fear, though, there's no fucking way he'll ever prove anyone wrong.

[Brian Peacock]

Apparantly, around 90,000 Americans have lost their employer-provided healthcare - and that might be just the tip of the iceberg.

... The virus has caused a public health crisis so severe that people have been forced to stay home, causing businesses to shutter and lay off workers. And with roughly half of Americans getting their health insurance from their employer, these layoffs mean not only losing their income but also their medical coverage. In other words, just as our need for medical care skyrockets in the face of a global pandemic, fewer will have health insurance or be able to afford it. According to one recent report, the cost of treatment for Covid-19 can run around $35,000. As the patient in the report exclaimed: “I was pretty sticker-shocked. I personally don’t know anybody who has that kind of money.”

So, how did we get to such a dire place? Many will sadly lose their jobs over the coming weeks – with one estimate projecting as many as 30%. And as they do, Americans are about to learn something horrifying: how irrational and irresponsible it is for so many to be dependent on employers for health insurance. Take it from me. I’m a former health insurance executive who once profited from this system. It’s time for it to stop.

America needs to finally get out of the business of linking health coverage to job status. Even in better times, this arrangement was a bad idea from a health perspective. Most Americans whose families depend on their employers for coverage are just a layoff away from being uninsured. And now, when many businesses are shutting down and considering layoffs, it’s a public health disaster. Across the country we’re seeing reports of layoffs in almost all industries. As we approach a global recession, some analysts suggest that a million or more US workers will lose their jobs in April alone. Consider what this means for health care in this country...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -insurance

Crikey!

[pErvinalia]

All part of the plan of The Government. Kill off the lower classes.

[Animavore]

My girlfriend just told me her brother, who lives in Sweden where he works as a welder, has Covid. Lost his sense of taste and smell. Has a cough.

[Brian Peacock]

Shit Ani. Here's hoping it doesn't develop into anything that needs hospital treatment.

[Animavore]

He's young and strong enough with no underlying conditions. Should be ok.

[Brian Peacock]

My folks have just told me that my great Auntie Peggy, who until she had a fall last November was still living independently at 93, died in the old folks home this morning from Covid-19. She's the last of my mum's mum's sisters to go - all 6 of them made it into their 90s, so not a bad innings really and it all happened very quickly. What's upsetting my mum the most is the idea that they might not be able to hold a funeral for the old dear.

[Cunt]

My folks have just told me that my great Auntie Peggy, who until she had a fall last November was still living independently at 93, died in the old folks home this morning from Covid-19. She's the last of my mum's mum's sisters to go - all 6 of them made it into their 90s, so not a bad innings really and it all happened very quickly. What's upsetting my mum the most is the idea that they might not be able to hold a funeral for the old dear.

I'm sorry for your mum's loss (and yours, BP).

You having more...familiar internet skills...maybe you can find a way to support a funeral service virtually, that doesn't come off sounding cheesy and shit...

I hope you can celebrate her life with all the family who wants to.