All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Joe]

To me, this is a perfect example of a decision possible in the Scottish legal system. There are 3 trial outcomes, not just 2...

Guilty

Not Guilty

Not proven

The 3rd is Mueller's conclusion...

The 3rd is not an available conclusion, according to the laws he agreed to use.



The AG has also not exonerated you, JimC.

You are as guilty as Trump, at least according to law.

Mueller is either full of shit, or not allowed to answer plain questions, due to his allegiance.

What law forbids it?

There is no law which describes 'exoneration' in the US, so he made that up.

As to what law forbids it, the only thing that makes sense is that Mueller is really so stupid he had to ask repeatedly for questions to be restated, and didn't remember who 'Fusion' was.

He probably isn't that stupid, so my guess is that it is due to ongoing investigations. All those sealed indictments, all these Q rumours...

More likely he is just an idiot, but it nearly fits that he asked AG Barr for a letter describing his limits to his testimony, refused to talk about many things which could (maybe?) be explained by being bound by an ongoing investigation...but that sounds a bit unlikely.

He can't exonerate, because it's never been done in US law. He made it up to generate headlines.

Really, no law describes it? Funny that it's in Black's Law Dictionary, the US Legal, Inc dictionary, and the Merriam-Webster Law Dictionary. I wonder where they got those definitions.

Turner is a lawyer and was playing a lawyer's game. Mueller didn't get suckered by it, and refused to play. While Mueller was under oath, Turner wasn't.

I keep that in mind when I watch these hearings.

[Cunt]

So can you give me a list of other people who have been 'exonerated' in the fashion described (poorly) here?

I was accused, and interviewed about a crime several years ago. I think my alibi was solid, but never got any 'exonerated' status update. Should I apply for one? I've honestly never heard of it. I thought there was 'the guilty', and 'everyone else' (in Canada, innocent until proven guilty, I think)

When he hedged, it sounded like protecting secrets of some kind, or being dumb. (I expect there is plenty of the former)

When he pretended to not know what Fusion was, he was obviously lying. I mean, could he really be that dumb? (his other lies, if present, were skillful)

[Joe]

So can you give me a list of other people who have been 'exonerated' in the fashion described (poorly) here?

I was accused, and interviewed about a crime several years ago. I think my alibi was solid, but never got any 'exonerated' status update. Should I apply for one? I've honestly never heard of it. I thought there was 'the guilty', and 'everyone else' (in Canada, innocent until proven guilty, I think)

When he hedged, it sounded like protecting secrets of some kind, or being dumb. (I expect there is plenty of the former)

When he pretended to not know what Fusion was, he was obviously lying. I mean, could he really be that dumb? (his other lies, if present, were skillful)

Were you charged?

[Cunt]

So can you give me a list of other people who have been 'exonerated' in the fashion described (poorly) here?

I was accused, and interviewed about a crime several years ago. I think my alibi was solid, but never got any 'exonerated' status update. Should I apply for one? I've honestly never heard of it. I thought there was 'the guilty', and 'everyone else' (in Canada, innocent until proven guilty, I think)

When he hedged, it sounded like protecting secrets of some kind, or being dumb. (I expect there is plenty of the former)

When he pretended to not know what Fusion was, he was obviously lying. I mean, could he really be that dumb? (his other lies, if present, were skillful)

Were you charged?

Not yet.

But that list of others who have had the 'exoneration'...how's that coming?

[Joe]

So can you give me a list of other people who have been 'exonerated' in the fashion described (poorly) here?

I was accused, and interviewed about a crime several years ago. I think my alibi was solid, but never got any 'exonerated' status update. Should I apply for one? I've honestly never heard of it. I thought there was 'the guilty', and 'everyone else' (in Canada, innocent until proven guilty, I think)

When he hedged, it sounded like protecting secrets of some kind, or being dumb. (I expect there is plenty of the former)

When he pretended to not know what Fusion was, he was obviously lying. I mean, could he really be that dumb? (his other lies, if present, were skillful)

Were you charged?

Not yet.

But that list of others who have had the 'exoneration'...how's that coming?

So they declined to charge you eh? Sounds like you're first on the list.

[Cunt]

Still working on that list? Or is this 'we can't exonerate' thing as shitty as the attack on Sanders that some asshole said 'he made my skin crawl'. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... skin-crawl)

You (and I) are in the same boat as Trump - Mueller CAN'T exonerate us in the matter of Russian Collusion. Heck, he can't even exonerate himself.

[Joe]

Still working on that list? Or is this 'we can't exonerate' thing as shitty as the attack on Sanders that some asshole said 'he made my skin crawl'. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... skin-crawl)

You (and I) are in the same boat as Trump - Mueller CAN'T exonerate us in the matter of Russian Collusion. Heck, he can't even exonerate himself.

I gave you the list. Hillary Clinton's on it too. If you need more, here's the National Registry of Exonerations.

As for your claim about Mueller's ability to exonerate, prove it. Turner's word for it isn't enough.

[Cunt]

It looks like exoneration is reserved for people who have been convicted of a crime.

Did Trump get convicted when I wasn't looking? Or did you just pull the wrong list to share?

[Cunt]

Loved watching him trip over his own lies when he tried to say collusion and conspiracy were the same. Were different. Were the same. Were different.

Well, I don't know what he finally decided, I guess we should go with what someone wrote down for him.

[Joe]

It looks like exoneration is reserved for people who have been convicted of a crime.

Did Trump get convicted when I wasn't looking? Or did you just pull the wrong list to share?

Nope, but quit trying to change the subject. Where's your proof that Mueller doesn't have the power to exonerate?

[Cunt]

It looks like exoneration is reserved for people who have been convicted of a crime.

Did Trump get convicted when I wasn't looking? Or did you just pull the wrong list to share?

Nope, but quit trying to change the subject. Where's your proof that Mueller doesn't have the power to exonerate?

All I have is the fact that he has never before shown himself to have this power. I can't find a single, unconvicted individual who he has ever exonerated.

Am I missing him showing this power? Or is it a pretend power that he will only use in a hypothetical universe?

[Joe]

So you can't prove he doesn't have the power, but you claim he doesn't.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, so answer your own questions.

[Seabass]

So liberal! So moderate!

Opinion: Resuming federal executions is a bad idea, so of course, that’s what Trump is doing
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... th-penalty

The federal government has executed only four condemned prisoners since 1960. One was put to death in 1963, two — including Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh — in 2001, and one in 2003. Since that last execution by lethal injection at the federal penitentiary in Terre Haute, Ind., there has been a moratorium in action if not declaration, with 62 people sitting on the federal death row.

But on Thursday, Attorney General William Barr announced that the federal government will seek to resume executions later this year, with five ordered for December and January. While the announcement came as a surprise, the impulse should not, arising as it does from an administration that routinely exhibits a casual cruelty toward the poor, minorities and immigrants.

Perversely, the only federal executions since the Kennedy administration came under President George W. Bush, a president who, like Trump, made a show of his pro-life beliefs when it came to interfering in a woman’s right to control her own body, but not when it comes to the government killing its own citizens.

[Tero]

So much winning! Barr gets to kill people. Killing people is better than killing fetuses.
These 5 inmates will be executed after AG William Barr told the federal government to reinstate the death penalty
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/25/us/five- ... index.html

[Cunt]

So you can't prove he doesn't have the power, but you claim he doesn't.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, so answer your own questions.

The burden of proof was not met, which is why Mueller was not able to prosecute.

As to exonerating, if you want to say that is within his power, you will have to back up that claim. As far as I can tell, it is 'marketing wankery' and not a legal standard.