Individual-1, a joke or a threat? (talk Trump)

[Sean Hayden]

Absurd. I suppose community service is also a form of slavery, and those who've been given several hundred hours should feel equally aggrieved as actual slaves. It is forced unpaid labor afterall.

Indeed it is, it's judicially mandated slave labour

No, it's not.

[Svartalf]

sentence labour is slave labout, non slave labour is voluntary to begin with, and generally paid fairly.

[Sean Hayden]

No, they're not slaves. The problem is the wall, not inmate labor, which should be used to benefit the community like the California inmate firefighters.

Inmate labor is no better than slave labor, it's underpaid and seldom voluntary to start with.

It is enormously better. For one the state does not own you and neither does the prison. You have rights. This alone makes the relationships between a prisoner and the state, and a slave and its owner completely different animals.

[Svartalf]

You're not chattel, you're just treated like it, only thing's that's better is that it"s (normally) temporary, still, the castigation for felonies and crime is supposed to be merely deprivation from freedom; not forced labor... and having your rights and seeing them enforced when you"re in prison is a different animal indeed

[Cunt]

Whores and whoring always help to clear things up!

So if ladies are sentenced to life in prison, and the only way they can earn a bit of cash is to pull a shift in the bordello, are they slaves?

Assuming normal whoring isn't slavery, does it become slavery under those circumstances?

[Forty Two]

No, they're not slaves. The problem is the wall, not inmate labor, which should be used to benefit the community like the California inmate firefighters.

Inmate labor is no better than slave labor, it's underpaid and seldom voluntary to start with.

I don't know the US system, but I understand they sentence people to labour.

In Canada, some similar things happen. Work while incarcerated is very low-paid, and failing to participate means not only the money missed, but the other inmates can be used to bully the unwilling into service by calling them 'lazy'.

What should happen to prisoners is...? Well, I don't know. I would like to think there are terribly unpleasant consequences to ruining people's lives with criminal acts. At the same time, I wouldn't want my prison system treating people terribly.

So what is your take? Lockup with gentle reeducation offered? Brutal labour? Something in between?

[Sean Hayden]

You're not chattel, you're just treated like it, only thing's that's better is that it"s (normally) temporary, still, the castigation for felonies and crime is supposed to be merely deprivation from freedom; not forced labor... and having your rights and seeing them enforced when you"re in prison is a different animal indeed

Yes, there are always problems with implementation. But if you want to make that argument, then I want to encourage everyone to look into just how bad the lives of slaves really were. To consider honestly being owned, versus being in prison.

Also, I disagree that merely being deprived from certain freedoms is all that should be required of a prisoner. We're all in this together right?

[Forty Two]

People doing community service generally aren't making people money. At least not in this country. But tgat bullshit corporate prison system you have means people make money for nothing off other's backs.

It's modern day slavery

Well, there are three alternatives:

Work for yourself
Work for another private person
Work for the State

Having lots of different possible employers, and the right to quit, seems like a good solid protection from exploitation. Not perfect, but a damn sight better than everyone working for the State.

[Cunt]

He was a pretty decent actor.

That scene punched me in the guts though. I think the last time I saw that was before I was incarcerated.

Fuck I hate the prison system. Not as much as I hate the alternatives (like killing the dangerous) but fuck I hate it.

[Animavore]

You're not chattel, you're just treated like it, only thing's that's better is that it"s (normally) temporary, still, the castigation for felonies and crime is supposed to be merely deprivation from freedom; not forced labor... and having your rights and seeing them enforced when you"re in prison is a different animal indeed

Yes, there are always problems with implementation. But if you want to make that argument, then I want to encourage everyone to look into just how bad the lives of slaves really were. To consider honestly being owned, versus being in prison.

Also, I disagree that merely being deprived from certain freedoms is all that should be required of a prisoner. We're all in this together right?

That's a No True Scotsman argument.

[Forty Two]

Given modern technology, it's time the prison system was mostly ended now.

It's "college" for criminals, and it's abusive and damaging to the inmates.

I think we have the technology to develop house arrest systems that would work much better. Keep criminals away from each other, not all crammed up each other's bung holes.

[Sean Hayden]

You're not chattel, you're just treated like it, only thing's that's better is that it"s (normally) temporary, still, the castigation for felonies and crime is supposed to be merely deprivation from freedom; not forced labor... and having your rights and seeing them enforced when you"re in prison is a different animal indeed

Yes, there are always problems with implementation. But if you want to make that argument, then I want to encourage everyone to look into just how bad the lives of slaves really were. To consider honestly being owned, versus being in prison.

Also, I disagree that merely being deprived from certain freedoms is all that should be required of a prisoner. We're all in this together right?

That's a No True Scotsman argument.

It's perfectly fair to point out the disparity between the living conditions of slaves and prisoners. If you want to say that prison labor is no worse than slave labor then the disparity is just one reason you're wrong.

I already addressed this under slave/owner relationship vs inmate/state relationship, living conditions being largely a result of those differences.

[Cunt]

Given modern technology, it's time the prison system was mostly ended now.

It's "college" for criminals, and it's abusive and damaging to the inmates.

I think we have the technology to develop house arrest systems that would work much better. Keep criminals away from each other, not all crammed up each other's bung holes.

Sounds better...keep all the guards, but take away the buildings. Sunshine for everyone (guards are 'in prison' lots of the time, too)

[Sean Hayden]

Yeah, I never understood how they could do that. I mean really, a lot of jobs suck. But going to prison 8 or more hours a day. --fuck that

The worst I ever saw was the guys that worked the "Gladiator" floors in county, and the solitary cells of those floors in particular. They sat alone in a tower coming out to help me feed the inmates 2 times a day through a little slot in the door, and to take a single inmate out for their allotted time or to go to court, and that was it. There are no windows up there either. Its cold concrete and smelly inmate ass and threats 24/7. Jesus.

[laklak]

30 days in county or 160 hours of community service? Color me picking up trash on SR70. We have chain gangs here, though most of them don't have actual shackles. You see them doing roadwork, cutting fire breaks, clearing brush, etc. They do get paid for it. Not much, probably 30 cents an hour or something, but they get out of the prison and into fresh air. Prisoners compete for the jobs, and only trustworthy ones are selected. I've seen both county and state prisoners working.