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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:11 pm

A couple who named their baby after Adolf Hitler and were members of a banned neo-Nazi group in Britain have been jailed for more than 10 years combined.

Adam Thomas, 22, and Claudia Patatas, 38, were sentenced to six-and-a-half and five years respectively at Birmingham Crown Court after a jury found them guilty of being members of National Action, which was banned in Britain in 2016.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:31 pm

Actual, real problematic stuff for people with actual problems and not just whitey having a whine.
The Cost of Deciding When to Be the Loud Black One at Work
People of color pay a price for speaking up against bias in the office—and for staying silent.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/1 ... pr-consent
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Post by Animavore » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:45 pm

Actual, real, genuine problematic stuff related to free speech and not whitey throwing a tantrum he can't call black people the n-word any more.

A Texas Elementary School Speech Pathologist Refused to Sign a Pro-Israel Oath, Now Mandatory in Many States — so She Lost Her Job

Glenn Greenwald
December 17 2018, 11:58 a.m.

A CHILDREN’S SPEECH PATHOLOGIST who has worked for the last nine years with developmentally disabled, autistic, and speech-impaired elementary school students in Austin, Texas, has been told that she can no longer work with the public school district, after she refused to sign an oath vowing that she “does not” and “will not” engage in a boycott of Israel or “otherwise tak[e] any action that is intended to inflict economic harm” on that foreign nation. A lawsuit on her behalf was filed early Monday morning in a federal court in the Western District of Texas, alleging a violation of her First Amendment right of free speech.
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/isr ... i-bds-law/

Even David Duke is pissed.

https://davidduke.com/teacher-fired-fro ... to-israel/

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Post by Sean Hayden » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:54 pm

Anyway.

I think it's interesting that you can get that kind of thing done in the UK.
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Post by Animavore » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:59 pm

Me? I'm not from the UK.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:10 pm

Animavore wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:31 pm
Actual, real problematic stuff for people with actual problems and not just whitey having a whine.
The Cost of Deciding When to Be the Loud Black One at Work
People of color pay a price for speaking up against bias in the office—and for staying silent.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/1 ... pr-consent
For an article billed as not being a whine, it sure read like one giant whine.

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Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:19 pm

Animavore wrote:
Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:45 pm
Actual, real, genuine problematic stuff related to free speech and not whitey throwing a tantrum he can't call black people the n-word any more.
It's not illegal to use the n-word here, so nobody's whining that they can't call them that anymore. It's been socially unacceptable in most of the population to "call" someone the n-word for something on the order of 75 to 100 years.
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A Texas Elementary School Speech Pathologist Refused to Sign a Pro-Israel Oath, Now Mandatory in Many States — so She Lost Her Job

Glenn Greenwald
December 17 2018, 11:58 a.m.

A CHILDREN’S SPEECH PATHOLOGIST who has worked for the last nine years with developmentally disabled, autistic, and speech-impaired elementary school students in Austin, Texas, has been told that she can no longer work with the public school district, after she refused to sign an oath vowing that she “does not” and “will not” engage in a boycott of Israel or “otherwise tak[e] any action that is intended to inflict economic harm” on that foreign nation. A lawsuit on her behalf was filed early Monday morning in a federal court in the Western District of Texas, alleging a violation of her First Amendment right of free speech.
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/isr ... i-bds-law/

Even David Duke is pissed.

https://davidduke.com/teacher-fired-fro ... to-israel/

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Good for her. That is a major issue, and it sounds like she should prevail. Similar laws exist in other states, like New York State (signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo). They appear to me to be unconstitutional violations of the First Amendment, as the State is plainly not only dictating what they can't say, but they are dictating what they must say - dictating their political opinions. I hope she wins.

Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that one. It's a great example of what I've been on about.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:06 am

It's good to be the Assistant Principal. When a student freaks you out, you can do something about it. Too bad the snowflakes are giving him such a hard time, eh?

'ACLU on side of transgender Clarksburg student allegedly bullied by assistant principal'

(Here's a link to a story about the incident from the Daily Beast, in case the above is geoblocked.)
The American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia is taking action after a transgender student at Liberty High School said he was encountered by an assistant principal in the school’s boys’ bathroom and barricaded there for several minutes.

Michael Critchfield, a sophomore at Liberty, said the incident happened during an after-school event on Nov. 27.

Students, who were leaving on a band trip, were told to use the restrooms before boarding the buses to Morgantown, and Critchfield chose to use the boys’ restroom, as that is the gender with which he identifies.

“There were not many people there since it was after school and all that was there were probably sports teams, late buses and band students,” he said. “I had checked to see if anyone was at the urinal, and I looked to see if there was a bag there. If there was a bag, I would have walked in with my head down, or I would have waited until someone came out and then I would’ve gone in.”

The school’s assistant principal Lee Livengood entered the restroom and asked if anyone was still in the bathroom. Critchfield said he responded “yes,” and Livengood remained in the bathroom until he came out of the stall.

“He kept asking me why I was in there. [He said] I shouldn’t be in there because I am not a guy, and I told him I am a boy, I identify with this bathroom, and it is my legal right to use this restroom,” Critchfield said.

Critchfield said Livengood harassed and intimidated him, ultimately challenging him to use a urinal to prove he was a boy.

“He was blocking the doorway so I couldn’t get out because if I tried to get out through the doorway he was in front of, he could’ve said that I hit him or something and got me in more trouble,” Critchfield said. “I was barricaded in the bathroom for three or four minutes, and then a band mom was coming down complaining that they could hear Mr. Livengood yelling at me in the bathroom from the cafeteria, from the hallways, and some could hear it from the band room so she came down to see what was wrong.”

At the end of the exchange, Livengood said to Critchfield, “Not going to lie. You freak me out,” in front of the other students and the chaperone,” Critchfield said.
The assistant principal has been suspended.

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L'Emmerdeur wrote:
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It's good to be the Assistant Principal. When a student freaks you out, you can do something about it. Too bad the snowflakes are giving him such a hard time, eh?
Excellent! (if as presented)

I like to have that stuff right out in the open.

Often when I speak against hate speech laws, people bring up examples like this. I think it is excellent that the people all felt free to express themselves. With more effective 'diversity training', this guy would still be in the Assistant Principal position, probably hanging on with verve and enthusiasm until retirement.

An example of an open world being a better world than one wrapped in safe spaces.

To that kid - I would not repeat the trite and insulting 'it gets better'. Instead I would say 'make it better'.

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Post by JimC » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:59 am

Positively crumplesque...
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Positively crumplesque...
I don't know what is meant by 'crumplesque', perhaps you could clarify?

Do you understand that I'm glad this came out? Not so great that the kid had a creepy bathroom experience, but I'm glad (he should be too) that this is now out in the open, where it can be handled the way the community thinks it should be.

He is fired. Good, right? Kid learned that he can be shit on unfairly, and can then be helped by normal people, who don't want him shit on. Good also, right?

I know I'm looking at the bright side a bit, but honestly, wouldn't it be a lot worse if the AP had been given previous sensitivity training, so he could make it to retirement with better cover?
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Getting back to the subject of the thread...
https://quillette.com/2018/12/07/academ ... denounced/
So why all the fuss? Dr Carl’s crime is that he has defended intelligence researchers who’ve written about the taboo topics of race, genes and IQ and argued that stifling debate in these areas is likely to cause more harm than allowing them to be freely discussed by academics. It appears to be this, and the fact that he spoke at the London Conference of Intelligence in 2017 alongside some of these researchers (although he did not himself speak about race, genes or IQ at that conference), that is the basis for the accusation, made in the letter, that he is guilty of “pseudoscientific racism.”

One of the signatories is Professor David Graeber, the anthropologist and left-wing political activist, who described Dr Carl on Twitter as a “very creepy ‘race scientist’.” When asked to justify this accusation of racism and clarify what aspects of Dr Carl’s research he found “methodologically flawed,” he replied: “that’s easy. The concepts “race” “genetic intelligence” and “criminality” are all concepts with at best questionable scientific validity, so any study that assumes all 3 as unproblematic is so wildly methodologically flawed that one can only assume a racist motive in the author.”
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Accusing a young scholar of “psuedoscientific racism,” and claiming his work is “ethically suspect” and “methodologically flawed,” is not something that should be done lightly, given the likely impact on his career. So for a group of over 300 academics to sign their names to this charge sheet without appearing to have conducted even the most cursory examination of Dr Carl’s work is an absolute scandal. These are trumped up charges, brought against Dr Carl because he dissents from the prevailing orthodoxy about a controversial field of academic research. He hasn’t even waded into these dangerous waters himself—he has just defended the right of academics to do so. But that alone is enough for a group of his colleagues to attempt to ruin him. So much for the principles of academic freedom and open inquiry, not to mention diversity, tolerance and inclusion. This is academic McCarthyism.
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Post by Animavore » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:21 pm

Actual problems dealt by people genuinely feeling the effects of bigotry and prejudice and not white boy bawling about "reverse-racism" because blacks can tell jokes about white people.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/liv ... bEW-IEEsdg
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Animavore wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Actual problems dealt by people genuinely feeling the effects of bigotry and prejudice and not white boy bawling about "reverse-racism" because blacks can tell jokes about white people.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/20/us/liv ... bEW-IEEsdg
You ought to be ashamed of your whiteness.

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