Islam - How Awful Is It?

[JimC]

While agreeing in general with both Seabass and Sean, it still remains a fact that it would be more dangerous to be a publicly avowed atheist in countries like Pakistan than it would be in the US. Many have been murdered...

[Seabass]

Of course. No one was disputing that.

[JimC]

Not here, certainly, but some parts of the left have soft-pedalled the issue of Islam. I can understand that they don't want to jump into bed with the right-wing racists whose anti-Islam sentiments spring from a dislike of brown people, but they have taken it too far, at times...

[Seabass]

True dat.

[Cunt]

For example, climate science, wherever you come down on it for the love of fuck don't tell me we are safe because god watches over us or because god made the earth!

That underlies a lot of the beliefs of America's religious conservatives.

Fair enough, but respect for religion is at an all-time high among 'liberals'. If you have the right religion, you can participate in child marriage. There will even be sensitivity to your 'culture' if you bring that disgusting shit into modern civilized countries.

So why are so many anti-religious so shy about criticising Islam?

I would much rather be a disagreeable, opinionated atheist among christians or jews, than among muslims. Is that racist? Or is it me just acknowledging realities like Theo Van Gogh experienced?

I don't experience that shit and I don't think you do either. I'm going to repeat that: I don't think you experience these problems.

I would place this entire bit of thinking into the same category as your other exaggerated problems, maybe 1a.) Exaggerated Threats

I've never met someone in favor of child marriage, liberal or conservative --duh. If there is a problem like the one you describe then perhaps it is a problem of pushing fences too far. We put up fences around sacred ideals and principles to protect ourselves against violating them. Sometimes we push that fence out too far e.g. don't look lest you touch.

In this case --assuming your problem is worth talking about-- the fence could have been pushed too far in the hopes of avoiding further conflict with the mostly Muslim world. People have become noticeably more concerned about the threats Muslims face since the US entered Afghanistan. The FBI shows that here at home Muslims faced more threats from 9/11 up to just a few years ago.

People have probably pushed fences intended to protect equality out further in the hopes of reigning that threat in.

What are you doing about it? You're pretending the left has lost its mind and gone gaga for horrible religious practices. You're acting like you're scared to be yourself around Muslims. You're aligning yourself with Christians because hey, they aren't Muslims.

--gee, you sort of sound like a bit of a potential problem/threat yourself bud; like you're standing just outside the fence ready to jump it.

How many of my local papers do you think printed the Mohommad cartoons? If enough of them did, then I am not 'experiencing that shit'.

I'll wait for your list while I laugh about you insistence that this doesn't affect either of us.

[Sean Hayden]

How many papers posted the what?

Show me on the doll where the Muslim touched you.

[Cunt]

How many news organizations printed the Mohommad cartoons a few years ago? If most of them did (it WAS huge news, after all) then there is obviously no problem.

But if the overwhelming majority of news outlets failed to reproduce the cartoons, then it looks like it affected everyone.

[Sean Hayden]

Please disregard these posts. I'm at a table with Muslims atm and afraid for my life. We're talking about who drives worse, Turkey, Syria or Houston.

I said Houston to avoid being beheaded.

[Sean Hayden]

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I'm teasing Cunt. I get it, oppose blasphemy laws. It's a worthwhile cause.

[pErvinalia]

How many papers posted the what?

Show me on the doll where the Muslim touched you.

[laklak]

Yeah, all our Muzzies are good Muzzies. Not like those bad Muzzies in Saudi Arabia.

And no, you cannot declare stupidity a criminal ideology, as appealing on a gut level as that might be. Think of the cost, even if we just load them onto trains and send them to the camps. No, better to make citizenship dependent on IQ. Maybe more than one class of citizen, and the Proles get to do the dirty work. But there's Victory Gin and pop music, so they're happy as Larry.

We, of course, will be Inner Party Members, drinking the single malt, and can even turn off the telescreens for a short period.

[Brian Peacock]

Not here, certainly, but some parts of the left have soft-pedalled the issue of Islam. I can understand that they don't want to jump into bed with the right-wing racists whose anti-Islam sentiments spring from a dislike of brown people, but they have taken it too far, at times...

My racists cousin told me I was just like him when I described Islam as a violent death cult, even though I'd never suggest going out on the streets to "teach those Sharia cunts a lesson".

[Cunt]

No, better to make citizenship dependent on IQ. Maybe more than one class of citizen

I don't think IQ indicates a good voter. It would be interesting to set a bar for entry to citizenship, but I've never liked where any of those bars are.

One of my favourites was to have trivia games, with the questions about policy, and losers don't get to vote. Not a sensible one at all, just fun to think of the ignorant having their votes lost.

[Cunt]

Please disregard these posts. I'm at a table with Muslims atm and afraid for my life. We're talking about who drives worse, Turkey, Syria or Houston.

I said Houston to avoid being beheaded.

Why not ask them if they believe you should be killed for drawing a historical figure.

Next, ask them what taqiyya means.

It'll be a fun, civil discussion, I'm sure.

[Sean Hayden]

--been there done that

It reminds me of time I thought I was going to have fight an old man because I was upset about yet another bombing in Israel.

Anyway, You sound like a radical. You can argue with Muslims like anyone else. Only a nut job extremist would believe what you just wrote is sensible!