EU referendum: Donald Trump backs Brexit

[cronus]

interesting piece, but I doubt it's reliable

Smog of war is well in. Everyone needs to find the best road map they can when TSHTF. Mine is Catch 22. Got a hell of a deal going in Alexandria for parachute silk....

[Hermit]

Are you saying that the pound is shoring up the Euro?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -a-brexit/

You said it.

Up to 0.3pc of eurozone GDP will be wiped off the single currency's 19 economies in less than two years

WOW! The EU will never recover from that. The scale of the calamity dwarfs the 10% dip in 2009, and the community did not recover from that blip either. And yes, as the article prophecies, Netherlands will be among the hardest hit. Will nobody think of all those poor tulips?

[Hermit]

I don't want links. I want to have a discussion. Tell my why the EU is good/bad.

rEv, Svarty's summary is about as good as a one sentence description gets. The EU began in 1957 as no more than a tariff-free zone. Over the years it became clear that a whole heap of standards agreed to by all members was not just advantageous, but also necessary.

The biggest disadvantage of the EU, as with every community, large or small, is that its members must keep to those agreed to standards they signed up for, which means a part of the sovereignty has to be sacrificed. Great Britain's nationalists had a bit of a problem with that. If they win the referendum, Great Britain will discover that this problem is not as bad as not being part of the EU.

Another problem is that despite the fact that the members of the European Union's parliament are elected by direct vote (there were 375 eligible voters in 2009, half of who did not bother voting), the European parliament seems unrepresentative and remote. This is of course entirely unsurprising. You cannot come up with legislation that turns out to be to the liking of 27 disparate nations.

The third one is the expense. The bureaucracy is totally humongous, and the insistence to keep two seats of parliament for 751 members (one in Strasbourg and one in Brussels) is only a smallish part of the cost.

[Scot Dutchy]

Are you saying that the pound is shoring up the Euro?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... -a-brexit/

You said it.

Up to 0.3pc of eurozone GDP will be wiped off the single currency's 19 economies in less than two years

WOW! The EU will never recover from that. The scale of the calamity dwarfs the 10% dip in 2009, and the community did not recover from that blip either. And yes, as the article prophecies, Netherlands will be among the hardest hit. Will nobody think of all those poor tulips?

Well it is like the payments that Britain make to the EU another Brexit myth. The 350 million pounds a week is now been reduced to only 0.6% of total tax income of the UK. What amazes me that people are willing to trust the three stooges and never mind hop-a-long Farage. I mean look at IDS a total failure and wanker supreme. Never mind Johnson and Gove. People are willing to give a country's future into the hands of gits like these. Barmy!

[Scot Dutchy]

The EU is apparently looking for 800+ Gaelic speakers. Interesting. My idea of removing English from the official EU languages is not so far fetched. We have Malta of course.

[MrJonno]

I don't know why Brit's take the piss out of the US/Trump, its looking like the anti-foreigner/racist bigots may actually be a majority in the UK while they are very unlikely to reach that level in the US

[mistermack]

Farage is extremely impressive as a speaker.

He was on telly yesterday, being "grilled" by the wanker Andrew Neil. And he wiped the floor with Neil, just by being truthful and straightforward, which leaves Neil floundering.

Shame the rest of the outers are not in his league.
But it's not about the big names.

I'm voting out, but I'm not voting for those twats Boris Johnson and Duncan Smith.
I would like to see Farage as leader of the Tories. I might vote for them then.

[pErvinalia]

Is the vote compulsory or voluntary?

[mistermack]

Is the vote compulsory or voluntary?

Voluntary. We have no compulsory voting.

[pErvinalia]

What % voter turnout do they expect? If it's less than 50% I reckon you guys should officially scrap democracy and install a benevolent dictatorship due to mass apathy.

[mistermack]

The one question I didn't get a clear answer to from the Farage debate is the tariff question.

If the EU puts tariffs on UK goods, presumably the UK can put exactly equal tariffs on EU goods?
(from which the UK would come off better than the EU).

But it's not as simple as just retaliating. Apparently the World Trade Organisation has rules about tariffs that apply over and above EU and UK law.

What they are, I have no idea. Anyone?

[mistermack]

What % voter turnout do they expect? If it's less than 50% I reckon you guys should officially scrap democracy and install a benevolent dictatorship due to mass apathy.

I'm willing to bet that it will be well over fifty percent. Although I haven't seen the betting odds for that.

The bookies still have staying as the heavy odds-on favourite, and leaving is still a long shot, but the gap in the betting has closed over the last 24 hours.
I'm not a gambler, but I said weeks ago that out was a good bet, at the 3 to 1 they were offering.
It's closed to about 2 to 1 but still a good bet I reckon. But I just lack the betting drive.

I hate losing, far more than I enjoy winning.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... hip-result

[Scot Dutchy]

Another non-thinking Brexiter.

Man just think but that is one thing lacking in the Brexiter camp. They cant think. All those myths and it has bamboozled them. Farage was useless last night. He refused to move on anything or accept any facts only his own myths. Asked about Turkey he actually admitted he made a mistake about when it could join. He did get the number of conditions that Turkey has to meet correct; one out of 75 so far and they are going to join by 2025.

But that is typical Brexiter tactics; Make wild claims and then back track hoping nobody notices. Like the claim of paying 350 million pounds into the EU per week. It has now been reduced to 100 million but is not actually paid. Do think Brexiters actually worry about the truth. If a myth does the job use it.

[MrJonno]

The only fact that is relevant in this campaign is do you hate foreigners or people who aren't white, and clearly near to 50% of the British population does.

Trump is more likely to be the next Prime Minister of the UK than President of the US, nothing in British law stopping him

[Scot Dutchy]

I really hope Britain leaves as watching the crawling back will be a marvellous event.