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Re: Free Will
I doubt it's pragmatic, although I could be wrong. I doubt many in the legal profession have ever given much thought to the philosophies of materialism and determinism.
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Re: Free Will
All lawyers are materialistic...rEvolutionist wrote:I doubt it's pragmatic, although I could be wrong. I doubt many in the legal profession have ever given much thought to the philosophies of materialism and determinism.
In one sense of the word, at least...
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Seconded, mind giving further explanation Piscator?rEvolutionist wrote:I don't understand any of that, not least the picture.
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You mean in that they are all after getting wealthy at others' expense?JimC wrote:All lawyers are materialistic...rEvolutionist wrote:I doubt it's pragmatic, although I could be wrong. I doubt many in the legal profession have ever given much thought to the philosophies of materialism and determinism.
In one sense of the word, at least...
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Re: Free Will
The assumption is that humans have an ability to control their actions via their own agency, and are held responsible for that.
We can't know whether we really have free will, or whether we are merely automatons who have a delusion of free will. However, if we assume that nobody is responsible for their own actions, then ordering society through laws is profoundly unjust. Of course, it's only unjust if we consider that we have free will the first place.... if all of us are automatons, then the idea that we have free will -- the false belief in it - is part of the determined course of action.
We can't know whether we really have free will, or whether we are merely automatons who have a delusion of free will. However, if we assume that nobody is responsible for their own actions, then ordering society through laws is profoundly unjust. Of course, it's only unjust if we consider that we have free will the first place.... if all of us are automatons, then the idea that we have free will -- the false belief in it - is part of the determined course of action.
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If we don't have free will then we don't have a choice about having a legal system. Or lawyers. Jesus, think of that, lawyers as an inherent manifestation of universal reality. Wow, this place sucks.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
Re: Free Will
Svartalf wrote:Seconded, mind giving further explanation Piscator?rEvolutionist wrote:I don't understand any of that, not least the picture.
State variables=variables in an equation of state
Determined agent=an agent who's acts are determined
The image was from the "Demonstration" scene in Clockwork Orange.
The legal system took away Little Alex's fuck/fight agency via the Ludeveko Treatment, to determine "favorable" outcomes for itself and society. This is what deterrence would look like in rEvo's deterministic legal system, one with no base assumption of "free will" (aka: "personal agency" or "volition").
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Re: Free Will
Ok then...
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"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
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"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.
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