GOP Primaries/Caucuses Discussions, Jokes and Predictions

[Svartalf]

ROFLOL... It takes a Merkin to call the hillybilly a leftist... for that matter, both parties are hotbeds of corruption and cronyism and ought to be shut down and replaced by fresh, unestablished groups...

then again I've always said that proacticing politics oughtta be a capital crime, especially in countries that still have capital punishment.

[Forty Two]

If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

Not that you vote will matter in the end, but you'd rather throw a fucking match on the country than see Hillary elected?

I don't think it will be a match thrown on the country, for one, so I reject that premise.

Trump=chaos
At best, he'll appoint (or try to appoint) his inexperienced yes-men to jobs they have no background for and the government bureaucracies will either run themselves, or cost even more $$.

Who's going to be Trump's VP? Chief of Staff? Secretary of State? Oh Jesus...
He's a one-man show, folks.

You can't answer those questions for any candidate. Who might be Trump's VP? Governor Chris Christie, perhaps? Or, he might be Attorney General. Maybe Governor Paul LaPage from Maine would be in Trump's cabinet. Other folks who might hold prominent positions -- Scott Brown, former Senator from Massachusetts. ?Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California, and Chris Collins and Tom Marino, Congressmen out of New York and Pennsylvania. Businessmen Steve Forbes, Carl Icahn, might be part of his advisory group.

Who is going to be in Hillary Clinton's group? More of the same Wall Street pocket-liners that we have seen for a generation or so? Establishment folks, who have gotten us where we are?

Trump is, in many respects, despite his indelicate delivery, correct on many issues. Hillary is an insider, and we'd get more of the same corporatism and cronyism.

She was a Senator from New York. Wall Street is in New York. That they're still friends indicates confidence. You want fucking Trump to rationalize the $$ system?

What in the world does Wall Street being in New York and Hillary being a former Senator from New York have to do with it? The fact is, Hillary is in their pocket. When Bernie Sanders says that Wall Street firms are buying influence with Hillary by donating millions to her campaign and Super PAC, he is absolutely right. Sanders has correctly pointed out that Hillary and every candidate that gets that money says that the donations from Wall Street and the fossil fuel industry don't impact their decisions. I quote Sanders - "Every candidate says that. Well the question that we ask: Is Wall Street and all of these other billionaires and wealthy individuals, are they really so dumb? Why are they contributing to much money?"

Having been a Senator doesn't impress me much. Rubio was a Senator too. Big deal? You think "that they're [Hillary and Wall Street Firms] still friends indicates confidence..." -- that's a naive statement. This isn't about "friends" or Wall Street confidence that Hillary is the right person to do the job and "rationalize the money system." Come on, man. That's just bizarre. They're buying influence. They're buying Hillary Clinton. She does what they want, and they're interested in making money. They aren't a benevolent society, out for the best interest of the country.

Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.

You're going to have to explain how that works. It sounds like those clever Asians have used corporatism to defeat the free market, and your solution is tariffs or some other form of corporatism?

that's about the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time.

Asians used corporatism to defeat the free market? First, if it sounds like that to you, doesn't that sound like a bad thing? Why would anyone be in favor of countries using corporatism to defeat the free market? Second, the reality is that the the Chinese and the Japanese are violating trade deals. These are free trade deals which are supposed to take down tariffs and barriers to trade between countries, and the deals are written to flow both ways. It's supposed to be freer for them and freer for us to trade. But, they've taken advantage of the US dropping our tariffs and barriers to imports, but they have kept their barriers high. It's a one way deal now, and our government has not not addressed that issue.

The currency manipulation engaged in by China is a de facto tariff. China should be designated a "currency manipulator" and that would set in motion the countervailing duties against Chinese imports. China recently added a additional tariffs and duties on certain American automobiles, and that's in addition to the original 25% tariff on all US automobiles. General Motors faces the greatest impact, almost 22% extra (over the 25% tariff) on some sports utility vehicles (SUVs) and other cars with engine capacities above 2.5 litres. Chrysler faces a 15% penalty, while a 2% levy will be imposed on BMW, whose US plants make many of the cars it exports to China. The unwritten rule of U.S.-China trade is simple: The U.S. buys Chinese products, but China won’t buy American products unless they can’t be produced in China.
Also, if an American company wants access to the Chinese market, that company must share its intellectual property, a condition that violates international fair-trade standards and World Trade Organization rules. And, then China cut a deal with the Obama Administration about intellectual property, designed to protect firms on both sides against infringement. Of course, the agreement isn't worth the paper it's printed on because China-sponsored firms immediately began massive cyber attacks on US firms.

And, fuck off with the "clever Asians" shit. It's not about them being Asian. It's about them playing by a different set of rules.

[piscator]

If it's Trump v. Hillary, I vote Trump.

Not that you vote will matter in the end, but you'd rather throw a fucking match on the country than see Hillary elected?

I don't think it will be a match thrown on the country, for one, so I reject that premise.

Trump=chaos
At best, he'll appoint (or try to appoint) his inexperienced yes-men to jobs they have no background for and the government bureaucracies will either run themselves, or cost even more $$.

Who's going to be Trump's VP? Chief of Staff? Secretary of State? Oh Jesus...
He's a one-man show, folks.

You can't answer those questions for any candidate. Who might be Trump's VP? Governor Chris Christie, perhaps? Or, he might be Attorney General.

That fat fuckstain is about as corrupt as they come. Not impressed with your fantasy card.

Maybe Governor Paul LaPage from Maine would be in Trump's cabinet.

The guy who's AG is nitpicking signatures for a state marijuana legalization referendum ostensibly based on a notary public's expiration that never happened? Fuck yeah.

Other folks who might hold prominent positions -- Scott Brown, former Senator from Massachusetts. ?Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California, and Chris Collins and Tom Marino, Congressmen out of New York and Pennsylvania. Businessmen Steve Forbes, Carl Icahn, might be part of his advisory group.

So you're saying the NE Republican clubs, arbitraguers, and media tycoons will lead us forward?

Who is going to be in Hillary Clinton's group? More of the same Wall Street pocket-liners that we have seen for a generation or so? Establishment folks, who have gotten us where we are?

So you suggest a billionaire real estate developer and casino owner is the man to fix things?

Trump is, in many respects, despite his indelicate delivery, correct on many issues. Hillary is an insider, and we'd get more of the same corporatism and cronyism.

She was a Senator from New York. Wall Street is in New York. That they're still friends indicates confidence. You want fucking Trump to rationalize the $$ system?

What in the world does Wall Street being in New York and Hillary being a former Senator from New York have to do with it? The fact is, Hillary is in their pocket. ...

I assume you have evidence of this "fact"? Mittens pulled way more Wall Street $$ last election than Obama, or Hillary now. So by by implication, he was much more of a transparent shill cunt than Hillary, or even Jeb Bush?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/25 ... -donations

Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.

You're going to have to explain how that works. It sounds like those clever Asians have used corporatism to defeat the free market, and your solution is tariffs or some other form of corporatism?

that's about the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time.

I'm sorry Warren, I don't see a lot of existing American factories closing because of new Chinese import duties and Japanese currency manipulations. I see a lot of American factories closing because labor, electric power, tooling, and raw materials are so much cheaper in China that they feel they can't compete with their American competition unless they offshore their manufacturing.

Chinese barriers to trade are not an issue that's going to drive people to the polls for Trump. Moreover, I don't see the Chinese being as awestruck with Mr Trump as low income white Americans with low education levels. I also don't see The Donald Winning HUGE in trade negotiations with China, even if he were to handle it all himself.

[Tyrannical]

Oh, Ben Carson will be endorsing Trump on Friday. Must still be pissed about Cruz saying he was dropping out day before Iowa caucus......

Trump dealing with China over trade would be interesting. And if Trump can claw back some American manufacturing jobs away from China through tariffs or what not, you can bet other Western countries might follow suit. A real economic down turn in China, and not just an anemic 5% growth (lol), could spell big problems for the Communist government, maybe even an "Asian Spring" to shake up their government.

[piscator]

Ridiculous flight of fancy. The Philippines and Mexico will get any dubious American manufacturing jobs "clawed back" by any supposed Trumpenprotectionism.

[pErvinalia]

Prefab the Mexican wall. That'll make some manufacturing jobs!

[piscator]

Muslim detainees will do that bustass concrete work for free to get out of jail.

[Forty Two]

That fat fuckstain is about as corrupt as they come. Not impressed with your fantasy card.

If the test is whether one is "impressed" with the lineup that will come along with a candidate, you can color me unimpressed with the people Hillary Clinton would surround herself with. And, supporting Hillary Clinton, but descrying anyone else as "corrupt as they come" is a big belly laugh. Really? You're against corruption, are you? LOL.

Maybe Governor Paul LaPage from Maine would be in Trump's cabinet.

The guy who's AG is nitpicking signatures for a state marijuana legalization referendum ostensibly based on a notary public's expiration that never happened? Fuck yeah.

As opposed to the gal who uses a personal email system to send and receive classified "Special Access Program" information? http://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-em ... 1453419158

Oh, will you accept, say, a Democratic candidate's appointee's behavior as strike against that candidate? I just want to clarify that, because we can talk about the folks who worked for Clinton, too, if you like.

Other folks who might hold prominent positions -- Scott Brown, former Senator from Massachusetts. ?Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California, and Chris Collins and Tom Marino, Congressmen out of New York and Pennsylvania. Businessmen Steve Forbes, Carl Icahn, might be part of his advisory group.

So you're saying the NE Republican clubs, arbitraguers, and media tycoons will lead us forward?

No, I'm saying the arbitrageurs, media tycoons and Wall Street financiers support Hillary. You think that will lead us forward, apparently. The arbitrageurs are backing Hillary and funding her SuperPAC with huge dollars.

Who is going to be in Hillary Clinton's group? More of the same Wall Street pocket-liners that we have seen for a generation or so? Establishment folks, who have gotten us where we are?

So you suggest a billionaire real estate developer and casino owner is the man to fix things?

At least he built real estate and operated casinos. Hillary gave speeches, and hid documents at a law firm.

He also happens to be right about the trade issues with China, Japan and Mexico, and hasn't been bought and paid for by the Wall Street financiers and arbitrageurs.

Trump is, in many respects, despite his indelicate delivery, correct on many issues. Hillary is an insider, and we'd get more of the same corporatism and cronyism.

She was a Senator from New York. Wall Street is in New York. That they're still friends indicates confidence. You want fucking Trump to rationalize the $$ system?

What in the world does Wall Street being in New York and Hillary being a former Senator from New York have to do with it? The fact is, Hillary is in their pocket. ...

I assume you have evidence of this "fact"? Mittens pulled way more Wall Street $$ last election than Obama, or Hillary now. So by by implication, he was much more of a transparent shill cunt than Hillary, or even Jeb Bush?

I'm not defending Mit Romney, he too was bought and paid for by the Wall Street folks. You want a President like Mitt Romney? Vote Hillary. Jeb Bush is part of the same establishment. By opposing Hillary, I'm not in favor of Romney or Bush.

Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.

You're going to have to explain how that works. It sounds like those clever Asians have used corporatism to defeat the free market, and your solution is tariffs or some other form of corporatism?

that's about the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time.

I'm sorry Warren, I don't see a lot of existing American factories closing because of new Chinese import duties and Japanese currency manipulations.

Well, then you're not looking.

I see a lot of American factories closing because labor, electric power, tooling, and raw materials are so much cheaper in China that they feel they can't compete with their American competition unless they offshore their manufacturing.

Well, I guess you differed with Obama in 2012, when he, during debates with Romney, accused China of cheating in international trade, in part by dumping products on the US market, and manipulating their currency which depresses the price of their exports making it impossible for US factories to compete. China constantly prints new currency and uses it to buy U.S. dollars and U.S. government debt, thereby flooding the market with Chinese currency and increasing demand for American dollars. China manages the value of the yuan within a narrow range, and keeps it approximately 20 percent below its free market value against the dollar.

China engages in this currency manipulation in violation of international law, as a member of the IMF. Japan, too. This is not controversial. It's known. And, the US has not done anything about it.

Chinese barriers to trade are not an issue that's going to drive people to the polls for Trump.

It's what is driving many of them to the polls. Certainly not the details of how it works. But, the notion that our leaders are weak and allowing other economic players to cheat on international agreements is what is driving Trump's popularity.

Moreover, I don't see the Chinese being as awestruck with Mr Trump as low income white Americans with low education levels. I also don't see The Donald Winning HUGE in trade negotiations with China, even if he were to handle it all himself.

I certainly don't see Hillary Clinton winning in trade negotiations.

Nobody cares about "awestruck" except a fanboy. It's about power. A deal is made not because people like each other or are "awed" by the other person's charisma.

[Forty Two]

Ridiculous flight of fancy. The Philippines and Mexico will get any dubious American manufacturing jobs "clawed back" by any supposed Trumpenprotectionism.

Wait, now the Left is for free and open markets? LOL.

[Animavore]

Trololol.

Chicago Restaurant Expertly Trolls Donald Drumpf With 3 Inch “Footlong” Hotdog.

The Drumpf Art of the Meal menu includes three items, Kelly said: the Drumpf footlong ($2.69), which comes fully dressed Chicago-style; the Drumpf Package ($8.30), including two mini-dogs with fries and a drink; and the Super PAC ($12.56) with four mini-dogs, fries and a drink.

“At The Wiener’s Circle, we’re going to do our part to make him feel at home,” Kelly said. “Americans are hungry for a good old fashioned Drumpf footlong.” (Source)

http://modernliberals.com/chicago-resta ... ng-hotdog/

[piscator]

Other folks who might hold prominent positions -- Scott Brown, former Senator from Massachusetts. ?Duncan Hunter, Congressman from California, and Chris Collins and Tom Marino, Congressmen out of New York and Pennsylvania. Businessmen Steve Forbes, Carl Icahn, might be part of [Trump's] advisory group.

So you're saying the NE Republican clubs, arbitraguers, and media tycoons will lead us forward?

No, I'm saying the arbitrageurs, media tycoons and Wall Street financiers support Hillary. You think that will lead us forward, apparently. The arbitrageurs are backing Hillary and funding her SuperPAC with huge dollars.

Carl Ichan is an arbitrageur, Steve Forbes is a media tycoon, Teabag Congressmen are Republicans... These are your picks for Trump's cabinet?

Trump is a one man show. No one with any self respect can work for the prick.

Who is going to be in Hillary Clinton's group? More of the same Wall Street pocket-liners that we have seen for a generation or so? Establishment folks, who have gotten us where we are?

So you suggest a billionaire real estate developer and casino owner is the man to fix things?

At least he built real estate and operated casinos. Hillary gave speeches, and hid documents at a law firm.

And lived in the White House for 8 years, Then became a Senator, and then ran the United States Department of State...Trump never built a fucking building in his life - he arranges financing.

What in the world does Wall Street being in New York and Hillary being a former Senator from New York have to do with it? The fact is, Hillary is in their pocket. ...

I assume you have evidence of this "fact"?

I'm not defending Mit Romney, he too was bought and paid for by the Wall Street folks. You want a President like Mitt Romney? Vote Hillary. Jeb Bush is part of the same establishment. By opposing Hillary, I'm not in favor of Romney or Bush.

No, you're in favor of Trump, and you have still not shown any evidence to support your claim that Hillary is a shill for Wall Street, or even what that means.

Trump is, for example, correct when he talks about China and Japan's currency manipulations and taxes used to keep out American products (contrary to trade deals) which creates unsustainable trade deficits and causes more and more American factories to close.

You're going to have to explain how that works. It sounds like those clever Asians have used corporatism to defeat the free market, and your solution is tariffs or some other form of corporatism?

that's about the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time.

I'm sorry Warren, I don't see a lot of existing American factories closing because of new Chinese import duties and Japanese currency manipulations.
I see a lot of American factories closing because labor, electric power, tooling, and raw materials are so much cheaper in China that they feel they can't compete with their American competition unless they offshore their manufacturing.

Well, I guess you differed with Obama in 2012, when he, during debates with Romney, accused China of cheating in international trade, in part by dumping products on the US market, and manipulating their currency which depresses the price of their exports making it impossible for US factories to compete. China constantly prints new currency and uses it to buy U.S. dollars and U.S. government debt, thereby flooding the market with Chinese currency and increasing demand for American dollars. China manages the value of the yuan within a narrow range, and keeps it approximately 20 percent below its free market value against the dollar.

China engages in this currency manipulation in violation of international law, as a member of the IMF. Japan, too. This is not controversial. It's known. And, the US has not done anything about it.

Chinese barriers to trade are not an issue that's going to drive people to the polls for Trump.

It's what is driving many of them to the polls. Certainly not the details of how it works. But, the notion that our leaders are weak and allowing other economic players to cheat on international agreements is what is driving Trump's popularity.

You'll just buy anything Trump sells, won't you?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-o ... 1452296887

[Tero]

What is the difference between Cruz and Trump?
Cruz thinks God has picked Cruz to be His head honcho on earth.
Trump thinks he is God.

[Animavore]

Lame.

[piscator]

[Animavore]

"You know what impact it would have on the environment? Zero. Because China and India will still be polluting at historic levels," Rubio said. "I want to be a safe and clean place but these laws they're asking to pass will do nothing for the environment and will hurt and devastate our economy. "

http://www.skepticalscience.com/2016-Sk ... st_11.html

Let me make this very clear; if you vote for this man you are a threat to society.