Toldjaso! - WMDs in Iraq

[mistermack]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

Doesn't it make you feel better, that George's mates are coining it from the oil sales.
Or they were, till IS started confiscating lots of it.

[Seth]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

[jamest]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

You're off your fucking head. It's cunts like you who give the USA a seriously bad rep - even to other peoples within The West. Arrogant, stupid, self-righteous, narrow-minded tossers, will always be the scourge of the world.

Do I get a formal warning for this? I fucking hope so.

[klr]

Thread merge complete.

[pErvinalia]

When Israel attempts to take over the world for Judaism and/or it dispenses WMDs to kill it's own people.

So you don't actually care about UN resolutions, despite professing to care earlier.

Israel =/= Iraq.

Therefore, false dilemma fallacy.

No it's not. You stated as part of the reason necessary for invasion was a host of UN resolution violations. Israel likewise has illegal WMD and has violated far more UN resolutions than Iraq.

Israel didn't invade a neighbor, get defeated by that neighbor and its allies and agree, as part of the cease-fire agreement, to cooperate with UN weapons inspections and divest all WMDs.

Had Israel made such an agreement, then I'd be saying the same thing about it.

Israel doesn't have to make an agreement, they are required by the UN to allow inspectors into their facilities. And Israel is illegally occupying and building in another country, against a host of UN resolutions. You don't give a fuck about UN resolutions. You only care about Iraq because of the Bush's. You're as transparent as a ghost.

[pErvinalia]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

"uncivilized and belligerent"? Sounds like you (and most republican politicians).

[pErvinalia]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

You're off your fucking head. It's cunts like you who give the USA a seriously bad rep - even to other peoples within The West. Arrogant, stupid, self-righteous, narrow-minded tossers, will always be the scourge of the world.

Do I get a formal warning for this? I fucking hope so.

You shouldn't, because Seth is clearly a fucking dunce. How idiotic to rant about alleged "uncivilized and belligerent" people, when he himself calls for the bombing of entire civilian populations.

[mistermack]

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves.

Great. Just illustrates what I said on the ''are liberals more intelligent?'' thread, about conservatives always going for the simple-minded solution.

Seth actually out-simples George Bush. Quite a feat.

[Seth]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

You're off your fucking head. It's cunts like you who give the USA a seriously bad rep - even to other peoples within The West. Arrogant, stupid, self-righteous, narrow-minded tossers, will always be the scourge of the world.

Do I get a formal warning for this? I fucking hope so.

You got a better solution to a nuclear Iran?

If you can't find a diplomatic solution to psychotic societal belligerence, bombs are a valid alternative, just ask Hitler.

[Seth]

Israel doesn't have to make an agreement, they are required by the UN to allow inspectors into their facilities.

Are they? And have they refused to do so?

And Israel is illegally occupying and building in another country, against a host of UN resolutions.

It's not "another country" it's Israel, obtained by Israel after Israel was attacked by its neighbors and they lost the war. Israel has already given away most of the land it acquired as compensation for the Arab-Israeli war. It's under no obligation to give away anything else to anybody. If you attack your neighbor and lose, the winner gets control of your country and may do with it as it pleases. That's what's supposed to keep nations from going to war against one another.

You don't give a fuck about UN resolutions.

You're quite right, I don't give a fuck about the UN as an organization or their resolutions. But that's beside the point. The Coalition does, and did, and Saddam broke his promise, ergo he got taken out. The US stopped short of deposing him the first time, after his clearly belligerent invasion of Kuwait only on his promise that he would abide by the UN-mandated agreements. The US agreed to let the UN make the agreement and do the inspections as a favor to the rest of the planet. We need not have done so. We could just as easily and justifiably demanded that Saddam permit US inspectors to keep track of his activities. We could have, and should have, simply occupied Iraq, taken Saddam prisoner and hung him for crimes against humanity and against the allies of the United States and told the UN to fuck off. We didn't as a gesture of solidarity with the UN, but we were in no way obligated to involve the UN in any aspect of that or any subsequent war. The US is a sovereign nation and our treaties with our allies take precedence over any UN resolutions, but when a belligerent agrees to submit to UN oversight as a condition of the US ceasing hostilities, then the US is perfectly entitled to resume hostilities if the belligerent fails to do so.

You only care about Iraq because of the Bush's. You're as transparent as a ghost.

Actually, I despise Bush the Younger because he's as much a Progressive as Obama is and he's a RINO who presided over the largest expansion of the federal government in US history...until Obama came along. But he was handed the shit end of the stick and the one thing I can say for him is that he told us what he was going to do, got Congressional approval to do it, and then did what he said he was going to do, which is more than Obama has ever done.

Bush the Elder did what he had to do under our treaties with Kuwait, but he made the mistake of being compassionate and generous with Saddam, which turned out to be a huge mistake. Now Obama is making an even bigger mistake in trusting Iran...a mistake that may end civilization on this planet if Iran gets its way.

[Seth]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

You're off your fucking head. It's cunts like you who give the USA a seriously bad rep - even to other peoples within The West. Arrogant, stupid, self-righteous, narrow-minded tossers, will always be the scourge of the world.

Do I get a formal warning for this? I fucking hope so.

You shouldn't, because Seth is clearly a fucking dunce. How idiotic to rant about alleged "uncivilized and belligerent" people, when he himself calls for the bombing of entire civilian populations.

I didn't say anything about civilian populations, I said infrastructure. I'd be happy dropping leaflets telling residents of Baghdad to leave because in 24 hours we are going to level the place, and civilians aren't much of an issue at dams, power plants, refineries and other critical infrastructure targets.

But, the bottom line is if you don't want your country bombed back to the stone age, then control your leaders so we don't have to. If you fail to do so, then you become a legitimate target. That's why bombing Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were legitimate and necessary. When the populace supports the despot rather than deposing him, they become co-belligerents and therefore legitimate targets.

The fact that Iraqis send their own children out with suicide vests to kill Americans is proof enough that the entire culture needs a lesson in good manners.

"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke.

[pErvinalia]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

Put them in the stone age and keep them there until they learn to play nice with others.

You're off your fucking head. It's cunts like you who give the USA a seriously bad rep - even to other peoples within The West. Arrogant, stupid, self-righteous, narrow-minded tossers, will always be the scourge of the world.

Do I get a formal warning for this? I fucking hope so.

You shouldn't, because Seth is clearly a fucking dunce. How idiotic to rant about alleged "uncivilized and belligerent" people, when he himself calls for the bombing of entire civilian populations.

I didn't say anything about civilian populations,

You said we should have "levelled Bagdad". And you've argued for bombing civilian populations regularly in the past. For you to complain about uncivilized and belligerent people is irony of the most spectacular order. You are THE most uncivilised poster ever seen on rd.net/ratskep/rationalia.

[Seth]

You said we should have "levelled Bagdad".

Yes, I did. I didn't say anything about killing everyone in Baghdad however. If that's what I meant, I would have said "We should have used biological and chemical weapons to kill every last living grasshopper-eating, camel-fucking raghead motherfucker in Iraq/Iran/Syria/Egypt etc.". Oh wait, that's what Saddam tried to do to the Kurds...

But I didn't. It's hardly my fault, or my concern, that you insist on misinterpreting what I actually write to suit your own need for ad hom argumentation.

And you've argued for bombing civilian populations regularly in the past.

I've argued a good many things, regularly and irregularly, none of which may be thought to be an accurate or actual representation of my personal beliefs, as you well know.

For you to complain about uncivilized and belligerent people is irony of the most spectacular order.

I'm not the one chopping off hands, sawing off heads and stoning women to death, nor am I the one flying airliners into buildings...or mountains.

You are THE most uncivilised poster ever seen on rd.net/ratskep/rationalia.

Why thank you. Fine compliment indeed coming from you. This shows that I'm doing my job just exactly as I intended to.

[pErvinalia]

You said we should have "levelled Bagdad".

Yes, I did. I didn't say anything about killing everyone in Baghdad however.

False dilemma fallacy. I never said you advocated killing everyone in Baghdad. Levelling Baghdad will, however, result in mass civilian casualties. This is simple logical reasoning. Surely you can manage this level of logic?

If that's what I meant, I would have said "We should have used biological and chemical weapons to kill every last living grasshopper-eating, camel-fucking raghead motherfucker in Iraq/Iran/Syria/Egypt etc.". Oh wait, that's what Saddam tried to do to the Kurds...

Irrelevant to whether you are an uncivilised thug.

But I didn't. It's hardly my fault, or my concern, that you insist on misinterpreting what I actually write to suit your own need for ad hom argumentation.

There's no misrepresentation. Levelling Baghdad will result in mass civilian casualties. This is simple logical reasoning. Surely you can manage this level of logic?

And you've argued for bombing civilian populations regularly in the past.

I've argued a good many things, regularly and irregularly, none of which may be thought to be an accurate or actual representation of my personal beliefs, as you well know.

What I know is that you believe almost everything you spew out. That much is obvious from interacting with you for years. And regardless of what you may or may not actually believe, we only have your words here to go by. And your words, while criticising others for being uncivilised and barbaric, are the very epitome of lacking in civilisation.

For you to complain about uncivilized and belligerent people is irony of the most spectacular order.

I'm not the one chopping off hands, sawing off heads and stoning women to death, nor am I the one flying airliners into buildings...or mountains.

False dilemma fallacy.

You are THE most uncivilised poster ever seen on rd.net/ratskep/rationalia.

Why thank you. Fine compliment indeed coming from you. This shows that I'm doing my job just exactly as I intended to.

So you agree that you are a giant irony fail? Good, glad we are on the same page.

[rainbow]

But it was damn sure a pisspoor reason to spend $5Trillion of my tax dollars doing it.

I agree. We should have leveled Baghdad with cruise missiles, JDAMs, Arclight strikes and other stand-off munitions the first time, and then destroyed the entire technological infrastructure of Iraq, from dams to sewage plants to dog food factories and kept blowing them up until the Iraqis handed over Saddam and his henchmen to us themselves. Not a single American boot should have touched Iraqi soil. Ever.

We should do that to everybody who drags us into war by being uncivilized and belligerent.

What you've just suggested is uncivilised and belligerent.