This didn't happen in Australia...not.

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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by Seth » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:18 pm

Hermit wrote:You are trying to make a point there, Piscator, aren't you? I'm sure of it.

If you can work out what it might be, get back to me.
He makes a great point. I understand it. That you do not is clear evidence of the blindness of your unreason and irrationality.
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by piscator » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:40 pm

Hermit wrote:You are trying to make a point there, Piscator, aren't you? I'm sure of it.

If you can work out what it might be, get back to me.


We've decided to enforce commonsense traffic safety by restricting liberties people are not capable of enjoying responsibly. The $11.67+international postage represents a small liberty you no longer enjoy, simply because people aren't responsible enough to follow the laws.

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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:51 pm

Junk mail huh? I got a recycle bin for that. And good luck trying to get money out of me. :)
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by piscator » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:13 pm

Hermit wrote:Junk mail huh? I got a recycle bin for that. And good luck trying to get my guns because some fuckwit I never met shot up a movie theater. :)
I feel the same way, bro. :tup:

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Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:23 pm

You forgot to bring up the good old "ban all cars because some people have accidents using them" metaphor.
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by piscator » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:24 pm

Cars are a privilege, not a right.

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Post by Hermit » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:25 am

And now you forgot to use the word "unalienable".

What's the matter with you, man?
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by Seth » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:10 am

piscator wrote:Cars are a privilege, not a right.
No, owning a car is a right just like any other property right. Operating a motor vehicle on a public highway is also a right, but it is a regulated right which may be withdrawn if one abuses the exercise.

The confirmation of the fact that operating a motor vehicle on a public highway is a right is the fact that if you qualify medically and by demonstrating competence the state MUST issue you a license. It is non-discretionary if one meets the applicable criteria. If a driver's license were a privilege, then the government could approve or deny the license for reasons having nothing whatever to do with health or competence. States cannot do this, they must issue a license to every qualified person.

This is not to say that the license doesn't come with restrictions and regulations, nor that it cannot be revoked for bad behavior, but one does have a right to both own a car, whether one is qualified to operate it on a public highway or not, and to operate it on a public highway if one meets the applicable reasonable and necessary regulations controlling the issuance of such licenses.
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:24 am

Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:
Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:Your paranoia may be appropriate in the violent USA, but is laughable when applied to the civilised world.
Said the guy from the country where we just saw carjackers shooting at police with a handgun... :blah:
So, one particular instance gives you a statistically accurate picture of a whole country?

Have we ever said that Oz is a zero-violence realm?
Nope, and that's why you're a hypocrite. Unless you have a zero-violent-crime society each and every individual in your country has a fundamental human right to be armed for effective self defense against whatever crime might happen to them.
There's no such thing as a fundamental human right to be armed. :bored:
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by Seth » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:52 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:
Seth wrote:
JimC wrote:Your paranoia may be appropriate in the violent USA, but is laughable when applied to the civilised world.
Said the guy from the country where we just saw carjackers shooting at police with a handgun... :blah:
So, one particular instance gives you a statistically accurate picture of a whole country?

Have we ever said that Oz is a zero-violence realm?
Nope, and that's why you're a hypocrite. Unless you have a zero-violent-crime society each and every individual in your country has a fundamental human right to be armed for effective self defense against whatever crime might happen to them.
There's no such thing as a fundamental human right to be armed. :bored:
Sure there is.
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:00 am

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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by JimC » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:11 am

I am armed!

And legged!
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Re: This didn't happen in Australia...not.

Post by piscator » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:18 am

QED

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