How do we attract Skepchicks to sign up here?

[Graculus]

I find this odd coming from someone who thinks a t-shirt that says "I am not a Skepchick" is an example of harassment. I guess free speech is fine until it says something discomforting, yes?

it's odd if you only hear of it in a vacuum, completely stripped of its context. As I pointed out, posters here aren't allowed to attack one another personally, either.

[Audley Strange]

Only you claim they claim so

Graculus, I appreciate that you are trying your best and was giving you the benefit of the doubt but seriously? I'm the only one claiming that?

Did you read your own fucking post above?

you just hate it when women don't agree with you on the awesomeness of the status quo?

You are claiming to speak on behalf of women. Not some women, not feminists, not A=, women.

Given your failure to comprehend even that, even that. I'd say we're done. Keep typing the good fight.

[Coito ergo sum]

I find this odd coming from someone who thinks a t-shirt that says "I am not a Skepchick" is an example of harassment. I guess free speech is fine until it says something discomforting, yes?

it's odd if you only hear of it in a vacuum, completely stripped of its context. As I pointed out, posters here aren't allowed to attack one another personally, either.

No, like I said, I have read everything Surly Amy said about it. I know the context. Even in context it is not harassment. What about the context makes you think it's harassment? And, unless the woman wearing the t-shirt had something to do with the context you're referring to, it wouldn't be harassment by her, would it? It's not her responsibility to make sure Surly Amy isn't having a bad time of it, and govern her clothing choices accordingly.

Saying "I am not a Skepchick" is no more a personal attack of Surly Amy than a book entitled "I am not a Christian" is a personal attack on Pat Robertson.

You keep squirming around with this context bit -- we all know the context. We're just not going to keep repeating all the things Surly Amy was upset about. The context doesn't change the fact that it wasn't harassment then, and it isn't harassment now. And, the Skepchicks are not shy about "personally attacking" other people anyway, and you know it. It's in poor taste to give no quarter, and then ask for it.

Fuck, one of the whole points of Atheism Plus is that they think, as Carrier said, it's a MORAL IMPERATIVE to personally attack those that espouse the views antithetical to Atheism Plus -- you folks don't need the douchebags and the assholes, right? Well, this sort of thing cuts both ways. You don't get to claim a preferred position, that you are advocating the right and good, and therefore it's not fair to ridicule you, but that it's definitely fair to ridicule "the douchebags and the assholes."

[Robert_S]

Where's the upskirt camera guy story?

let me Google that for you

Well, if that's the kind of representation they're getting...

I asked a question I could have googled, true enough. But I was also giving you an opportunity to provide your choice of link and perhaps quote from it so people casually reading the thread would be exposed. I honestly never heard of Upskirt Camera Guy TBH.

BTW, I have it on good authority that Elevator Guy was actually planning on... trying to sell her AMWAY.

[Graculus]

Where's the upskirt camera guy story?

let me Google that for you

Well, if that's the kind of representation they're getting...

I asked a question I could have googled, true enough. But I was also giving you an opportunity to provide your choice of link and perhaps quote from it so people casually reading the thread would be exposed. I honestly never heard of Upskirt Camera Guy TBH.

BTW, I have it on good authority that Elevator Guy was actually planning on... trying to sell her AMWAY.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of people JAQing off that sometimes when someone is really "just aking questions" I react badly. I apologize.

AMWAY! That's truly terrifying.

[Graculus]

You are claiming to speak on behalf of women. Not some women, not feminists, not A=, women.

Now, where did I say that?

[Twoflower]

Where's the upskirt camera guy story?

let me Google that for you

Well, if that's the kind of representation they're getting...

I asked a question I could have googled, true enough. But I was also giving you an opportunity to provide your choice of link and perhaps quote from it so people casually reading the thread would be exposed. I honestly never heard of Upskirt Camera Guy TBH.

BTW, I have it on good authority that Elevator Guy was actually planning on... trying to sell her AMWAY.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of people JAQing off that sometimes when someone is really "just aking questions" I react badly. I apologize.

AMWAY! That's truly terrifying.

I think it's safe to say when most members here are just asking questions they genuinely are asking a question. Welcome to the forum! May I suggest you check out the rest of it as well while you are here and get to know the locals? We really are a nice group of people contrary to what popular opinion may say!

[Bella Fortuna]

^^ What Twofy said. I'd say a lot of us try to be pretty genuine here and, even if we don't hold the same opinions, we like to simply converse. Sometimes a question is just a question.

Cigars are another matter!

[Graculus]

I think it's safe to say when most members here are just asking questions they genuinely are asking a question. Welcome to the forum! May I suggest you check out the rest of it as well while you are here and get to know the locals? We really are a nice group of people contrary to what popular opinion may say!

I have been. reading on the other forums, I mean. There are nice people here, but not much red meat. I think we're generally in agreement on the undesirability of religion & Velikovsky & the desirability of bacon

[Twoflower]

Don't forget cheese. One can never have enough cheese.

[Graculus]

You keep squirming around with this context bit

& you keep squirming around "where were you when the threats were being made?" "Where did you take the haters to task?" "Why is the negative attention only going towards the Skepchicks & Co?"

Fuck, one of the whole points of Atheism Plus is that they think, as Carrier said, it's a MORAL IMPERATIVE to personally attack those that espouse the views antithetical to Atheism Plus -- you folks don't need the douchebags and the assholes, right? Well, this sort of thing cuts both ways. You don't get to claim a preferred position, that you are advocating the right and good, and therefore it's not fair to ridicule you, but that it's definitely fair to ridicule "the douchebags and the assholes."

As you are so aware of the context, you know that Carrier was taken to task by other FtBers & A+ers, & he apologized & retracted it?

[Graculus]

Don't forget cheese. One can never have enough cheese.

With bacon, I hope. & beer

[Bella Fortuna]

not much red meat.

Hey, we're makin' babies to eat as fast as we can!

[Gerald McGrew]

I've been reading the thread, & I do see 'gaslighting'.... complete misrepresentations & removal of context by many (not all!) posters. For example, McGrew

"You know what would advance this conversation? An actual case of sexual harassment at an atheist conference. In the absence of that, there really isn't much to talk about, is there?"

who, after being given several examples on that thread, goes on to re-define "harrassment" as "felony-level assault reported to the police". We're into "legitimate rape territory" there, McGrew.

Where specifically did I re-define harassment as "felony-level assault reported to the police"?

[Pappa]

I think the title of this thread should be changed. "Attract" must surely be a migroaggression, no?