27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

[Gallstones]

Agreed. I didn't realise I would end up with a mental image of my children lying slaughtered at the feet of an American pro-gun nut, but there you go.

Oh, and I suppose these little incitements were just dandy huh?

lol + raise you 20 dead children

in your cold dead hands.

Fuck you asshole.

His were jokes that invoke no nasty imagery in his imagination.
Yours were mean and invoked nasty imagery in his imagination--so it's your fault.

[Blind groper]

To Kristie

You have a beautiful mind and are a very worthwhile human being. That is more than I can say for Seth, who has stated he is willing to shoot someone dead without even bothering to ascertain whether his victim is a threat to him, or not. Seth has also stated he does not value democracy and has no respect for the wishes of the majority, as long as his own selfish emotional needs are catered to, no matter how many people are hurt or killed as a result.

by comparison, Kristie, you are a saint.

[Blind groper]

To Kristie

You have a beautiful mind and are a very worthwhile human being. That is more than I can say for Seth, who has stated he is willing to shoot someone dead without even bothering to ascertain whether his victim is a threat to him, or not. Seth has also stated he does not value democracy and has no respect for the wishes of the majority, as long as his own selfish emotional needs are catered to, no matter how many people are hurt or killed as a result.

by comparison, Kristie, you are a saint.

[Kristie]

To Kristie

You have a beautiful mind and are a very worthwhile human being. That is more than I can say for Seth, who has stated he is willing to shoot someone dead without even bothering to ascertain whether his victim is a threat to him, or not. Seth has also stated he does not value democracy and has no respect for the wishes of the majority, as long as his own selfish emotional needs are catered to, no matter how many people are hurt or killed as a result.

by comparison, Kristie, you are a saint.

Awww, you made my day!

[Woodbutcher]

So, everybody should be armed at all times. It would make for some interesting flash crowds. You can keep your gun worship in the States then. We'll see you in the news. You did say before that a few mass murders should not hinder you from gun ownership. Seth said anyone is allowed to carry until proven insane. Gallstones worships Seth. What a fucking trio.

How dare you make ups lies about me.

That was for mozg.

[Gallstones]

So, everybody should be armed at all times. It would make for some interesting flash crowds. You can keep your gun worship in the States then. We'll see you in the news. You did say before that a few mass murders should not hinder you from gun ownership. Seth said anyone is allowed to carry until proven insane. Gallstones worships Seth. What a fucking trio.

How dare you make ups lies about me.

That was for mozg.

[Woodbutcher]

So, everybody should be armed at all times. It would make for some interesting flash crowds. You can keep your gun worship in the States then. We'll see you in the news. You did say before that a few mass murders should not hinder you from gun ownership. Seth said anyone is allowed to carry until proven insane. Gallstones worships Seth. What a fucking trio.

How dare you make ups lies about me.

That was for mozg.

You are the only one defending him. He is a fucking TROLL according to his own words. An attack on a troll is not an attack on a real person. You said you met him and he taught you guns and self-respect. Whooppee! We do not know what the fuck he is like except what we infer from his posts. His posts put him firmly in the "cunt" category in spite of his eloquence. Maybe he is a knight in shining armour to you, but nobody else on this forum thinks so.

[Gallstones]

So, everybody should be armed at all times. It would make for some interesting flash crowds. You can keep your gun worship in the States then. We'll see you in the news. You did say before that a few mass murders should not hinder you from gun ownership. Seth said anyone is allowed to carry until proven insane. Gallstones worships Seth. What a fucking trio.

How dare you make ups lies about me.

That was for mozg.

You are the only one defending him. He is a fucking TROLL according to his own words. An attack on a troll is not an attack on a real person. You said you met him and he taught you guns and self-respect. Whooppee! We do not know what the fuck he is like except what we infer from his posts. His posts put him firmly in the "cunt" category in spite of his eloquence. Maybe he is a knight in shining armour to you, but nobody else on this forum thinks so.

I never said any of that.
Your imagination is causing you to think it's OK to lie.

Is there some new requirement for members to buy into every forum meme?
'Cause I'm not onboard with this one.

There are no "better persons" here.

[Gallstones]

[Jason]

People don't buy guns because they wish to live in fear, they buy them because it takes the fear away. You don't understand this because you are in denial. I hope that you continue to be lucky, and are never faced with the terrible consequences of your actions, I truly do. But you're denying reality and you're shifting the burden of securing your safety unethically to others.

[Jason]

eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, and if it takes hyperbole and unlikely scenarios to keep people frosty when it comes to armed liberty, so be it. I'll do whatever it takes to ensure the security of this nation.

[Jason]

Premise: When being assaulted by multiple armed assailants, self-defense using firearms requires a supply of ammunition sufficient to terminate the threat.
Premise: Given the inherent uncertainties of armed self-defense in the face of multiple assailants, including tactical considerations such as the opponent's marksmanship abilities and your own, the supply of ammunition available should always be maximized to provide the best possible odds of your survival.
Conclusion: It is therefore reasonable to have large-capacity magazines in your firearm.

That's a logical construct. Now you try it and we'll analyze. Or, feel free to analyze mine.

Premise: When going on a murderous assault targeting multiple children, assault using firearms requires a supply of ammunition sufficient to terminate them all.
Premise: Given the inherent uncertainties of armed assault in the face of multiple children, including tactical considerations such as the children's abilities to dodge bullets and your own marksmanship abilities, the supply of ammunition available should always be maximized to provide the best possible odds of your succeeding in your murderous assault.
Conclusion: It is therefore reasonable to have large-capacity magazines in your firearm.

[Jason]

I am NOT saying that your position that large capacity magazines are something you feel are inappropriate for civilians to possess is an improper opinion to hold. That's a rational political and ethical position to hold.

[Seth]

Well, everyone else is getting away with deliberate insults, so I may as well join in the fun.
You can think whatever you want of me. The opinion of someone like you is worthless to me.

Same here.

No. Don't ever compare yourself with me. I have made one insulting post like that, ever! And, it was nothing compared to what you and Gallstones do on a regular basis.

Then act like an adult and refrain from posting personal insults. You know full well that's what you were doing. I amplified your insult precisely to make a point. It offended you. It was intended to offend you because you offended me. You had no call to make the comment you did and you know it, you were just mad. Well, now you know how it feels to be called something nasty without there being any basis in reality.

I'm a mirror of your own behavior, which was entirely uncalled for and improper. When you debate fairly and rationally, so do I, but don't ever expect me to let snide insults like you posted pass unnoticed, because I won't. It's my right and obligation to bring it into stark focus when people do such things, in no small part as a matter of fairness.

Any reasonable person would understand that my insult was pure reactive hyperbole intended to make a point. Of course you're not a bitch or a cunt or anything else. I'm quite certain that you're a perfectly nice and honest person with whom I'd be happy to associate, but that's not how you were acting, so I made a point of bringing this to your and everyone else's attention.

Just because I argue a contrarian and controversial point of view that you don't like doesn't mean that I'm an evil person, it just means that I have the capacity to consider the question from the other side of the debate and the skill to argue my point well. If you respect me, I'll respect you, even if I disagree with your arguments, and I expect the same from you and everyone else.

So grow up and start acting like you have some sense and quit acting like a petulant child and we'll get along fine.

[Seth]

Look another gun nutter trying desperately to defend a weapon designed for combat purposes only by comparing it to fully-automatic weapons of World War II. Incidentally, the MP44, MP38, MG42, and more, all included pistol grips in their design. Moron.

Indeed they did, but I'm not the moron here, you are. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic look-alike of the fully-automatic military assault rifle, the M-16. It merely looks like one, it does not function like one. One trigger pull, one round fired. Every semi-automatic weapon on earth functions the same way.

No they don't. As a trained police officer you should know better. There are different designs for cycling rounds, but yes they all fire bullets. The AR-15 is a weapons system, it was designed as such, when outfitted for close quarters combat (like the one I posted a pic of) it becomes a much more lethal weapon in that situation than a rancher mini 14. It's all about the ergonomics (which have fuck all to do with comfort).

Ignorant pettifoggery. As I specifically said, all semi-automatic firearms operate the same way, one trigger pull, one round fired. How exactly they load the round and set off the primer is utterly irrelevant. And no, an AR-15 is no more or less "lethal" than a Mini-14 merely because it has ergonomic features the Mini-14 doesn't. In these sorts of attacks any semi-automatic firearm that can be fired at close range will do the job equally as well, including semi-automatic handguns, which being of larger caliber are probably MORE lethal than the .223 round.

Moron.

Fuckwit.