Suicide intervention discussion

[Cunt]

[Can you find a place where I said no-one does? Or are you trying to put words in my mouth for some reason?

I have been talking about respect for people here, mainly. Please read what I wrote, not what you wish I wrote.

Well, you've take my breath away. Doesn't your memory go back as far as ONE POST, where you wrote :

I think none are. All are carefully considered, thoughtful decisions.

I think you must be on a different planet.
I'm giving up on you. You don't even undersand what you write yourself.
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You are doing what is called 'quote-mining' here, unless of course you just misread what I wrote. Let's look at more of the quote, shall we?

Since I don't like to pass judgement on strangers, I will have to limit my report to personal experience.

I think none are. All are carefully considered, thoughtful decisions.

(I bolded the important bit which you ignored)

The people I knew who have suicided have not been 'impulse decisions'. None of them.

As to others, I declined to pass judgement. Read more carefully, would you?

[mistermack]

Cunt, I didn't ask you about people you "know", or say you knew. If you have to answer a different question, in order to give the answer you want to write, you're just as do-dally as the cunt who can't remember.
Either way, there's no point in continuing.
Bye.
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[Cunt]

Cunt, I didn't ask you about people you "know", or say you knew. If you have to answer a different question, in order to give the answer you want to write, you're just as do-dally as the cunt who can't remember.
Either way, there's no point in continuing.
Bye.
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I did answer your question. In the same post, actually. Did you read this part:

As to those strangers you elect to pass your (foul, insulting) judgement on, I will not judge.

I won't be judgemental. Do you want me to say how many were 'impulse' suicides? It is going to take me an awfully long time to get there. I would have to know what qualified as 'impulse', then find a way to measure those qualities and likely hire a statistician to help collect and understand the data.

The way you were using it was not in any clear kind of way, it was simply a way of being insulting (effectively) all the members of a group you don't agree with.

Sorry you can't seem to respect people's freedom of choice. I hope you get over it.

[camoguard]

Weighing in: I think suicide is an acceptable choice that a person has as a point of honor. Surely, it is selfish but because it is selfish does not make it wrong. Since life is the only existence we get, if we wrote a strategy guide, we would all save suicide as a last resort for escaping intolerable circumstances. I do not want people who do not want to live. They fuck the game of life up, quite frankly. That being said, I'm for working with people while they are still alive. But in the end, it's their life, I see no reason to keep it going against their will. I gain nothing for it.

That being said, trying to interpret why suicides are prevalent and trying to create changes by which fewer people do commit suicide is a worthy task. Debugging life is always acceptable.

[SpeedOfSound]

The subject is suicide being noble?

I think it can be. It can also be a rational choice at times or at least seem so rational that I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. I have a friend who is likely to kill himself in the next few weeks. He has himself boxed in so bad that his situation leaves everyone speechless.

We'll see how I feel if he actually does it. Unfortunately he has expressed and interest and a plan to steal my 45 to get the job done with.

[maiforpeace]

The subject is suicide being noble?

I think it can be. It can also be a rational choice at times or at least seem so rational that I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. I have a friend who is likely to kill himself in the next few weeks. He has himself boxed in so bad that his situation leaves everyone speechless.

We'll see how I feel if he actually does it. Unfortunately he has expressed and interest and a plan to steal my 45 to get the job done with.

I'm so sorry your friend is in such pain.

May I ask what why he is contemplating suicide?

[SpeedOfSound]

The subject is suicide being noble?

I think it can be. It can also be a rational choice at times or at least seem so rational that I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. I have a friend who is likely to kill himself in the next few weeks. He has himself boxed in so bad that his situation leaves everyone speechless.

We'll see how I feel if he actually does it. Unfortunately he has expressed and interest and a plan to steal my 45 to get the job done with.

I'm so sorry your friend is in such pain.

May I ask what why he is contemplating suicide?

Too complicated and personal to explain. He can't stay sober and his life is quickly evaporating. I'm trying to decide whether or not to 911 him this time. The thing is you hear them threaten so many times and not do it that you don't know when the cops busting in the door is the thing to do. He keeps getting in deeper and deeper and then sobering up for a month then back in deeper. Fuck. I have to figure out what to do.

The thing is if he killed himself now I wouldn't be pissed at him. I'd do it too if I were in his shoes.

[Feck]

The subject is suicide being noble?

I think it can be. It can also be a rational choice at times or at least seem so rational that I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. I have a friend who is likely to kill himself in the next few weeks. He has himself boxed in so bad that his situation leaves everyone speechless.

We'll see how I feel if he actually does it. Unfortunately he has expressed and interest and a plan to steal my 45 to get the job done with.

I'm so sorry your friend is in such pain.

May I ask what why he is contemplating suicide?

Too complicated and personal to explain. He can't stay sober and his life is quickly evaporating. I'm trying to decide whether or not to 911 him this time. The thing is you hear them threaten so many times and not do it that you don't know when the cops busting in the door is the thing to do. He keeps getting in deeper and deeper and then sobering up for a month then back in deeper. Fuck. I have to figure out what to do.

The thing is if he killed himself now I wouldn't be pissed at him. I'd do it too if I were in his shoes.

Does he have anybody that needs him ? seems there is a chance he could sober up but ,from how you put it his drinking has caused a whole heap of extra problems .As to what you should do ,only you can answer that . I wouldn't let him use your gun unless you are Certain about it .

[SpeedOfSound]

I wouldn't let him use your gun unless you are Certain about it .

Oh hell no! I'm taking precautions on that. I have so many levels of locks on my doors that it takes me an hour to get out.

[Robert_S]

The subject is suicide being noble?

I think it can be. It can also be a rational choice at times or at least seem so rational that I wouldn't judge anyone for doing it. I have a friend who is likely to kill himself in the next few weeks. He has himself boxed in so bad that his situation leaves everyone speechless.

We'll see how I feel if he actually does it. Unfortunately he has expressed and interest and a plan to steal my 45 to get the job done with.

I'm so sorry your friend is in such pain.

May I ask what why he is contemplating suicide?

Too complicated and personal to explain. He can't stay sober and his life is quickly evaporating. I'm trying to decide whether or not to 911 him this time. The thing is you hear them threaten so many times and not do it that you don't know when the cops busting in the door is the thing to do. He keeps getting in deeper and deeper and then sobering up for a month then back in deeper. Fuck. I have to figure out what to do.

The thing is if he killed himself now I wouldn't be pissed at him. I'd do it too if I were in his shoes.

Hey Speed! Nice to see you again.

Sorry to hear about your friend though, I hope he finds some peace somehow.

[Cunt]

I wouldn't let him use your gun unless you are Certain about it .

Oh hell no! I'm taking precautions on that. I have so many levels of locks on my doors that it takes me an hour to get out.

If you don't want him using your gun - be rid of it. (at least for now) It's the surest.

Handling guns may be different where you live, and I understand if you need it around. If you don't, though, it's a serious complication waiting to happen.

Find someone to lend it to and lock it up. All legal and proper, too.

At least that is my best suggestion. About the friend I have little to offer that wouldn't sound like meaningless platitudes.

I hope your friend gets some satisfaction.

I hope your friend finds reasons to live.

[kiki5711]

I went through a dark period in my life. Around 19 yrs of age. Lots of confusion, everything seemed out of reach. Love appeared to be just an illusion. Living like my parents, plain, racist, old world, seemed like psychotic, too much partying, exhausting, going to school, useless, the guys I liked were either gay or married or had girlfriends much prettier than me, basically hopeless feeling towards life...etc...

It was joining a church and turning my mind towards hope that made me change. It transformed me and I learned about myself in ways I never did before. Eventually I left the church but I left with new power inside. It was good for me and I never will regret going through that religious experience.

I'm not saying for anyone else it would be good, but it helped me.

[mistermack]

Most people would agree that we should prevent someone being murdered, if we can.
What about a schizophrenic? Where someone has a real split personality? Should we prevent the one who want's to end it all, to save the one that wants to live?

If so, aren't we all a little bit schizoid? We want on thing one minute, another the next. Especially if we are contemplating suicide. Shouldn't we protect the rational side from the suicidal side?
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[kiki5711]

Most people would agree that we should prevent someone being murdered, if we can.
What about a schizophrenic? Where someone has a real split personality? Should we prevent the one who want's to end it all, to save the one that wants to live?

If so, aren't we all a little bit schizoid? We want on thing one minute, another the next. Especially if we are contemplating suicide. Shouldn't we protect the rational side from the suicidal side?
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which side are you talking to?

[Cunt]

Most people would agree that we should prevent someone being murdered, if we can.
What about a schizophrenic? Where someone has a real split personality? Should we prevent the one who want's to end it all, to save the one that wants to live?

If so, aren't we all a little bit schizoid? We want on thing one minute, another the next. Especially if we are contemplating suicide. Shouldn't we protect the rational side from the suicidal side?
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Who decides what is 'rational'?

It is fairly easy to medicate someone out of suicide ideation, but who decides when a suicide is the wrong answer?

Plus, I see you are back, does that mean you have decided to accept my answer and move forward?