Tarot III Mafia: Game Thread

[charlou]

There was no stand out lynch target. Aza appeared to be as good as any and a slightly better bet than DP. However my judgement is based on trusting my read on charlou.

charlou followed me on to aza despite an earlier indication of suspicion towards me, that didn't ping for you?

Minor suspicion over the thing between yourself and Amok ... and I made it clear I didn't know if it meant one of you were scum, or neither. I read back through the thread to collect the vote results and a couple of posts of yours seemed sensible. I agreed with you that Az being on the forum while ingnoring the game was suspicious, and I also considered it unusual that he did not even check in and have a go at anyone. By that point in the day it seemed to be the most suspicious behaviour of anyone. Him coming in with fifteen minutes to spare (WTF, Az???), with his role claim made in the last few minutes ... I thought he should be given the benefit of the doubt for a day or two to allow for a counter claim.

I can see DP's point, but I'm a bit wary that DP's taking advantage of our uncertainty.

Zigmen ... his posts seemed uninformed, unengaged and tossed in for the sake of looking like he had something to say.

[charlou]

Well I think charlou and I did what we could under the circumstances. There was no clear scum target. She made the call. I followed. Zigmen seemed a good choice.

Aza has to be telling the truth. I'm inclined to back of UT accordingly.

What do people make of the bolded bit here?

I thought it a bit premature, posted early today as it was, and without allowing for the possibility that a counterclaim might arise.

What were you thinking at that point, MZ?

[Magicziggy]

Y

[Magicziggy]

Whoops, the phone slipped

[Magicziggy]

I was thinking that doc was a claim that had to be true. Scum would either want to flush out the seer or claim a special that was unlikely to be contested. So I had taken aza at face value

[Magicziggy]

However I can see the logic in leaving the seer in with a don in play.

[Magicziggy]

I did it myself as scum. Left an outed seer in play until I'd been viewed as town.

[Uselesstwit]

I'm really buying aza's claim, there's been no counterclaim, false claims almost never use a role that is probable, they tend to go for a rare role that might fit the flavor. Also his testy post to mz and char to get their votes off of him is text book aza. What I was asking about earlier is why people formed that bw in the first place. It seems to me that a quiet aza is almost always a town aza. I actually had him down as vanilla town yesterday just because that's when he's most likely to ignore a game.

So yeah dp is full of it, i'm just not sure it's something dp would do when he's scum.

Mz is really starting to worry me, his voting seemed odd yesterday, then today he buys aza's claim unquestioningly only to become doubtful when dp posts thoughts that all mafia players consider when a roleclaim is made. On top of this somehow he's giving me town cred for seeming to know aza's alignment before he outed, which is info scum have. It's his thinking that I should be fos'd if aza flipped scum but cleared if aza is town that really confuses me. It seems to me that scum are more likely to defend someone they know is town than a teammate.

[charlou]

Az, why did you vote for me yesterday?

[Magicziggy]

My voting was the best I could manage under the circumstances.

UT, I had a sense you were trying to shield aza and it pinged. That's all. But you look town to me. You are not cleared.

[charlou]

Hey kids, sorry I'm late to the party, just read day one, and have to say I'm very wary of aza's claim. Why wasn't he killed last night if he was a town player? Doesn't make sense to me. And no, I won't buy the scum targeted someone else in case he protected himself line, you never get to kill the doc that way, you try the first night and if they don't die then you try again since generally they can't protect themselves 2 nights in a row, that is scum 101 and the players here are smart enough to know it.

##vote aza##

I disagree with the bit I've bolded. Scum would not chance wasting a NK on a doc who has just outed and will likely protect himself.

FOS your line of thinking.

What do others make of this, please?

[Uselesstwit]

personally as I said above, i think he's wrong. Aza was the only outed special, it was night one, i'd bet money on him protecting himself. That said we should also talk about why amok? I didn't see anything yesterday that would make her the night one kill, did anyone?

[charlou]

She was defensive and jittery. I made note of it yesterday.

[Magicziggy]

Z Xavier sru

[Magicziggy]

Fucking phone. Sorry