Da Schneib shows up late

[Rum]

FFS grow up all of you.

[Ian]

[Ronja]

Glad to see you, Rum! /derail

[Schneibster]

This thread is

Talk about a mountain out of a molehill!

Not your horse that died, is it?

Blaming the victim again.

This is a bad practice and apparently well ingrained here as a generic response. I suggest that it is counter-productive.

[Schneibster]

Schneib:

Firstly - and this may have been posted already (I've been at campus and/or with my nose hard to the study grindstone for the last 48+ hours, and may have missed something) - you were reminded (in the blue note, posted by me) not for a specific or narrow offence, such as one personal attack. Instead, you were reminder for not playing nice. "Play nice" is our master rule, whereas specifically defined instances against it (such as "personal attack" or "harassment") are only examples of what does not fit under the general "play nice" umbrella. Some express this master rule thus: "By all means disagree, but don't be disagreeable about it."

"Following" one member around the forum from thread to thread, and posting comments that repeatedly single them out in a negative manner as an individual/character, cannot by any stretch of imagination be called "playing nice."

Going around posting thread after thread filled with provable lies is therefore excused by your interpretation. And nobody better post the proof that they're lies.

I've been telling you this for over a week.

Sorry, not acceptable. You need to think better than this. All of you do.

[Schneibster]

... Only thing is, what's "tit for tat" when one statement is the proof another is a lie? If that's "tit," then "tat" is merely revenge. Because "tat" only defends a lie, in that case. It might be universal, but that don't mean it's right, or fair, or a good idea to allow on a forum. Not, anyway, if you want any kind of peace with people who have honor, and principles, and old-fashioned stuff like that.

I am not sure I am reading this as you mean to say it, but what I see here is "Schneibster has the proofs and all the rest are lying". If that is your claim, it is utter bullocks.

Because you say so? It's (ETA: "proofs," what we would call evidence, are/is) posted in this thread. Perhaps the moderators should clean the thread up so you can look at it yourself, instead of keeping it hidden by leaving the mob scene in, or making me pay for the mob scene by forcing me to dig it up. If you don't like that, sorry, I'm not in control of reality.Sorry, I don't clean up others' shit. That's why I'm never a moderator or admin on a site.

[Schneibster]

The way things are going, Devogue will be losing his crown very soon.

I think not.

You appear to be correct.

[Jumby]

The elephant in the room is a beloved Ratz pet, and has been here since day one. I won't have anyone driving him out.

At least somebody loves me.

[Schneibster]

Changing the subject again.

[MiM]

... Only thing is, what's "tit for tat" when one statement is the proof another is a lie? If that's "tit," then "tat" is merely revenge. Because "tat" only defends a lie, in that case. It might be universal, but that don't mean it's right, or fair, or a good idea to allow on a forum. Not, anyway, if you want any kind of peace with people who have honor, and principles, and old-fashioned stuff like that.

I am not sure I am reading this as you mean to say it, but what I see here is "Schneibster has the proofs and all the rest are lying". If that is your claim, it is utter bullocks.

Because you say so? It's (ETA: "proofs," what we would call evidence, are/is) posted in this thread. Perhaps the moderators should clean the thread up so you can look at it yourself, instead of keeping it hidden by leaving the mob scene in, or making me pay for the mob scene by forcing me to dig it up. If you don't like that, sorry, I'm not in control of reality.Sorry, I don't clean up others' shit. That's why I'm never a moderator or admin on a site.

No (to the part I bolded), partly argued in the part you left out of the quote. I have read the thread, and I have seen no proof for most of your accusations anywhere. Still I think you started off with a good case (Dev:s description is not bad), but the way you have blown it up is rather out of context.

And BTW your heart problems is of no concern of other people here (the way you are playing them). You are only sounding like that elder family member who starts shouting "You will be resposible for my death", whenever he does not get his will. I have been through that IRL, believe me it is not a pretty picture.

[devogue]

The way things are going, Devogue will be losing his crown very soon.

I think not.

You appear to be correct.

All you have to do is understand that even if you stretch this thread to forty pages, and another forty, and another forty, you will still be wrong and you will be written off as a drama queen pain in the arse who just gets on everyones tits and makes the forum a living hell. You are quite clearly "trouble" and so you shall remain for the rest of your forum days. Don't ask any silly questions about the "play nice" rule, and don't point out anything incongruous like the truly epic amount of malicious trolling that followed Chuck Jones around the forum without a single peep from the staff because, and get this (!), some of them were doing it! I expect that quite soon you will hear someone bleating about this "not being a very nice place at the moment" and how they "hate it when there is disharmony" etc. You've already had the derails, the FFSs, the irritability factor, the accusations of irrationality. I imagine that soon the thread will descend in to shite about cheese and bacon or some other giant derail, until you just get so tired (and you will, even though you think you won't) you give up and the forum goes back to jolly hockeysticks and discussions about sprinkles/hundreds of thousands.

I suggest you save yourself a lot of time, pain and effort by going outside and smashing your head repeatedly against a brick wall before crumpling in to the foetal position while sucking your thumb and gently sobbing in your own blood. It certainly works for me.

[mistermack]

Well, I read through the thread in question and I think Schneib has a point.

So basically you just talk at people.

No, just juvenile Netwits. I tend to use them as useful idiots in my arguments. It's just toooo much fun!

It is absolutely clear from the flow of Seth and Schneib's argument that Seth's insults were aimed at Schneib.

Twenty minutes later, Schneib wrote this:

Gaming the system, what every good little jackbooted thug predictably does when the question he dare not answer comes along, when the opinion that scares him shows up.

Ronja, presumably speaking for the entire staff responded with this:

Schneibster, repeatedly accusing someone of gaming the system and implying that they are jackbooted thugs, is not playing nice (not to mention, gaming the system!). This is a reminder to please stay within the rules.

All of this could have been avoided if both Seth and Schneib had their heads cracked together in the gentlest possible way - no scary blue moderator font and singling out one individual when it was quite clear that two people had crossed the line. As it is, it really does look as though Seth has scored a "victory" over Schneib, and it's no wonder Schneib has a grievance.

Schneib has made a mountain out of a molehill in this thread, but in fairness that mountain has been created because of the frankly disgraceful dismissal of his concerns by a number of people, including staff, who don't seem to have read through the thread in question carefully enough. Once again, inconsistency in moderation rears its ugly head, and once again a lone voice looking for a bit of fairness is shot down with derails, abuse and dismissiveness.

Complete bollocks.

[Schneibster]

... Only thing is, what's "tit for tat" when one statement is the proof another is a lie? If that's "tit," then "tat" is merely revenge. Because "tat" only defends a lie, in that case. It might be universal, but that don't mean it's right, or fair, or a good idea to allow on a forum. Not, anyway, if you want any kind of peace with people who have honor, and principles, and old-fashioned stuff like that.

I am not sure I am reading this as you mean to say it, but what I see here is "Schneibster has the proofs and all the rest are lying". If that is your claim, it is utter bullocks.

Because you say so? It's (ETA: "proofs," what we would call evidence, are/is) posted in this thread. Perhaps the moderators should clean the thread up so you can look at it yourself, instead of keeping it hidden by leaving the mob scene in, or making me pay for the mob scene by forcing me to dig it up. If you don't like that, sorry, I'm not in control of reality.Sorry, I don't clean up others' shit. That's why I'm never a moderator or admin on a site.

No (to the part I bolded), partly argued in the part you left out of the quote. I have read the thread, and I have seen no proof for most of your accusations anywhere. Still I think you started off with a good case (Dev:s description is not bad), but the way you have blown it up is rather out of context.

I have no idea what you're talking about. You're going to need to discuss specific examples, and my expectation is that they're going to melt like snow when the Sun comes out.

And BTW your heart problems is of no concern of other people here

Fuck off for going there. This is a personal attack beyond anything that has been made on you. I cannot believe you think to get away with this with impunity, but apparently having an associate who is a moderator is good for about anything. ETA: Here.

[Schneibster]

All you have to do is understand that even if you stretch this thread to forty pages, and another forty, and another forty, you will still be "wrong"

Anyway, I think so.

[Schneibster]

I suggest you save yourself a lot of time, pain and effort by going outside and smashing your head repeatedly against a brick wall before crumpling in to the foetal position while sucking your thumb and gently sobbing in your own blood. It certainly works for me.

I just took a sip off my bourbon. I think that saves a lot of pain and effort. Time, I'm not so sure.