Here comes the other economic shoe dropping...

[Schneibster]

I notice you don't have any response to a post with, you know, facts in it. Scary, huh?

[Schneibster]

That's what I thought.

[Coito ergo sum]

So basically you have no answer to my previous posts but to either start out your response by lying, or change the subject.

You'll need to be more specific. I'm inundated by content-less posts of yours making false accusations and attacking me personally. If you've posed a question, I must have missed it in the clutter. I did respond to your nonsense about the employment/population chart. What else do you need an "answer" to?

OK. We'll keep that in mind.

Do as you like.

Here's something to put the problem in perspective: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... -stimulus/

Hmmm, the savings rate jumped, and the rate of new home starts crashed. Savings rate is still high, new home starts still low. How to get consumers to start spending those savings? Gee, that's a tough one. Guess they'll need to have some dependable income. You know, just like the businesses are all saving their money, and need some dependable income to start spending it again.

That would help, for sure. So, doing something that actually help, rather than hurt, various industries, seems to make sense. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-7-p ... 1.html?x=0

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, Obama lists four proposed Environmental Protection Agency rules and three Transportation Department rules estimated to cost in excess of $1 billion. One of the proposed EPA rules -- an update to the health-based standard for smog -- is estimated to cost the economy between $19 billion and $90 billion.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... price.html

Obama Coal Regulations to Boost Price of Electricity as Much as 60 Percent by 2014

Standing next to a picture of a wholesome-looking turkey sandwich with lettuce, tomato and swiss cheese, Sara Lee CEO Christopher J. Fraleigh said Tuesday that new rules proposed by the Obama Administration would prohibit him from advertising that sandwich during the Superbowl.

“A turkey sandwich made with Sara Lee fat-free lean turkey meat, we would not be able to advertise that on venues, be it the Superbowl or anything that would have a significant child audience, because the product is a little bit too high in sodium,” Fraleigh. “Current regulation of advertising toward children is a perfect example of regulation that just goes way too far.”

http://napervillesun.suntimes.com/busin ... tions.html

“We will no longer be able to advertise Ball Park hot dogs in stadiums because there’s too many kids that go to stadiums,” Fraleigh said. “Chocolate Easter bunnies will no longer be allowed because that is a character that appeals too much to children.”

That's right - the best way to help business is to prohibit advertising of hot dogs at a baseball game. Nicely done, Hippie Caucus!

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/08/the-t ... hate-most/

Thirty separate industry groups wrote Issa about the EPA’s “tailoring rule,” a legally questionable approach to limit the regulations to only major factories and industrial facilities. If the tailoring rule falls in court, six million new facilities would be subject to EPA regulations for the first time, including more than 3 million single-family homes. That would be regulatory Armageddon, even according to the EPA.

And, according to Obama, in an area where we can employ high tech folks, engineers, physicists, chemists, astronomers, astrophyscists, aeronautics engineers, chemical engineers, structural engineers, civil engineers, as well as develop new technologies and accomplish great things - we just don't need it: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/science/02nasa.html Still waiting for that bigger, and bolder plan to conquer the solar system that Obama planned back, oh, say 18 months ago....

http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/17/epas- ... z1VQghN9f6

The Environmental Protection Agency is driving a new ozone regulatory agenda that critics say will cripple local governments, small businesses and other industries nationwide.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/ ... -Year.aspx - Crazy Federal Rules Cost Business $1.75 trillion dollars a year.

And keep saying so. In public. And keep getting ignored by the Republicans running the House of Representatives who want to reduce the deficit so they can make the nigger look bad so he won't get elected again.

Do you know what the "velocity of money" means?

You're babbling.

[Schneibster]

So basically you have no answer to my previous posts but to either start out your response by lying, or change the subject.

You'll need to be more specific.

I was. First lie, sport. Every time.

[Coito ergo sum]

So basically you have no answer to my previous posts but to either start out your response by lying, or change the subject.

You'll need to be more specific.

I was. First lie, sport. Every time.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 05#p969438

Once again, "What else do you need an answer to?" You skipped that part. If you think I haven't answered something you asked me previously, then link to the post.

I suspect it's not a question anyway, and is just some platitude on your part, or a personal attack on me, as you are fond of doing.

[Schneibster]

I'm not going to comb the thread for all the shit I said you never answered, and tried to avoid by making up a bunch of horseshit about how I'm abusing you. If you want to talk, stop trying to game the system and talk. Don't lie, don't post propaganda, don't try to game the system, stop squirting ink.

[Coito ergo sum]

That's because there aren't any questions I haven't answered. If there is something you think I haven't responded to, and you want a response, then feel free to just grab the link. It's only a couple of pages on this thread, so it's not a big deal. Just link to the post.

You are attacking me. I'm sick of your false accusations of me "lying." You can discuss matters civilly or not. Apparently, it's "not" for you.

[Schneibster]

That's because there aren't any questions I haven't answered.

First lie, sport. Every time.

[Schneibster]

We need a squid ink emoticon.

ETA:

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[Coito ergo sum]

That's because there aren't any questions I haven't answered.

First lie, sport. Every time.

If there is something you think I haven't responded to, and you want a response, then feel free to just grab the link. It's only a couple of pages on this thread, so it's not a big deal. Just link to the post.

[Schneibster]

I'm not gonna do your work for you. You're the one who made the fucking mess; you clean it up, if you've got the balls.

Try not to start with a lie this time so you won't have to do it all over again.

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm not gonna do your work for you. You're the one who made the fucking mess; you clean it up, if you've got the balls.

Try not to start with a lie this time so you won't have to do it all over again.

It's not mine. I don't think I've failed to "answer" your posts. If you believe I have, and you want a response of some kind (as you apparently desperately do), then it's your job to prove that I haven't answered something. The burden lies with you.

As is obvious from the chronology, that you've simply been derailing this thread into an attack on me. You keep at it, though. Again, I'll discuss anything with anyone civilly, but that's apparently not what you want.

[Schneibster]

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ETA: Here we go now:

[laklak]

Well, it should be patently obvious that when we're 14 trillion in debt that the whole goddamned problem can be solved with another trillion. Anyone can see that. I've certainly found that if a policy fails, the best alternative is to continue exactly the same policy. What? That didn't work? Try the switch again, FFS. What's that? You don't speak English? Hang on, I said TRY THE FUCKING SWITCH AGAIN FFS. Capice?

Let me give a view from the trenches. The reason demand is down is people don't have fucking jobs. Otherwise demand would be right where it used to be. We don't have jobs because a bunch of greedy, duplicitous, criminal, scheming bankers manipulated the mortgage markets for their personal gain, in cahoots with a greedy, duplicitous, criminal, scheming Congress, aided and abetted by a bunch of greedy, stupid, economically ignorant consumers who borrowed far more money than they could ever afford to pay back, all based on the stupid, ignorant, illogical, feel-good liberal idea that everybody deserves a big house with a swimming pool. A pool in every yard and an SUV in every garage, that's my motto. And fuck that pot of chicken, it's filet mignon or nothing. Eventually the house of cards collapsed, as all houses of cards eventually do.

I love the fact that the GOP has been advocating lowering taxes, and now the Dems are going to suggest .......wait for it.......lowering taxes. No doubt claiming the idea for their own, of course. We're going to throw 30 to 50 billion at "infrastructure" projects. Well, goody goody. That amount of money doesn't even constitute a half a drop in a fucking full Olympic swimming pool. Jesus Christ, the venality of it all simply astounds me. Well, not so much as the stupidity of the American Sheeple astounds me, but it's pretty astounding nonetheless. I'm sure all those infrastructure projects are shovel ready, too. I don't mean "shovel ready" like that last batch of "shovel ready" infrastructure projects that weren't actually "shovel ready", I'm talking about Shovel Ready v2.0 (Beta)tm.

Here's a novel idea. Lets get rid of the stupefying level of regulation promulgated by an out-of-control Federal Government that is literally choking the life out of small businesses, stop spending billions a month more than we take in, stop the insane financial hemorrhage caused by our constant interference in the internal affairs of sovereign nations, quit our job as World Constable, stop bailing out corporations that failed through their own stupidity and greed, and re-embrace the capitalist work-ethic that made us the economic powerhouse we used to be. Start with the first suggestion, getting rid of overregulation. I've just shut down my catering company, laying off my two part time employees, because I cannot afford the 25 thousand or so necessary to comply with the latest batch of completely unnecessary and unconstitutional USDA regulations (all imposed under the much abused interstate commerce clause, naturally. After all, the pork I buy to make my bacon, even though I source it locally, prepare it locally and sell it locally, might be fed on grain that crossed state lines. Oh, I forgot - the pink salt I use in the curing process is sold by a company in Michigan.)

Fuck it. We deserve what's happening to us. I'm OK, even without the catering business, so the rest of the country can go to hell in a hand basket for all I care. I got mine, so screw everybody else.

[Schneibster]

Well, it should be patently obvious that when we're 14 trillion in debt that the whole goddamned problem can be solved with another trillion. Anyone can see that. I've certainly found that if a policy fails, the best alternative is to continue exactly the same policy. What? That didn't work? Try the switch again, FFS. What's that? You don't speak English? Hang on, I said TRY THE FUCKING SWITCH AGAIN FFS. Capice?

We never flipped the switch. See this: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0 ... -stimulus/

Economic impact: 6% of GDP.

Stimulus: 1.5% of GDP.

Result: Fail.

Tolja.