The Innsmouth Look game thread.

[Mantisdreamz]

who do you think you'll view Athene?

[oblivion]

Athene, I'm still not really satisfied with your explanation about mantis. I can see why you wouldn't leave a breadcrumb about viewing me, especially after I outed.

I did leave a breadcrumb about you, I said in a reply to a post by mantis that I agreed with her about you and I was happier with you today then I was yesterday. As for you not being satisfied with my explanation about mantis, well I can't help that.

Another observation: I thought b.tern was scummy on day 1. I got a seer vibe off her on day 2 and backed off for that reason. But rereading her posts, I'm finding her reactions to events kind of off. They read like she has game knowledge that town players don't. And if she's not the seer, then they come off kinda scummy.

Apart from the one you quoted earlier today, are there any others?

This one?

I'm ok with being today's lynch. it's probably for the best.

Why ?

Second 'why?'

Why would it be best for us to lose an experienced town player? Or the scum team if you're scum either, for that matter.

The "oh yeah, and if you're scum either" looks like an afterthought. It just doesn't come off as how a town orientation would express the sentiment about someone whose alignment is unknown. Remember, I hadn't outed as the princess at that point.


All the posts below are from day 2, which was the day I backed off b.tern because I thought she'd dropped a seer tell.

Well, that's a game changer. I've never heard of this princess role, either. I can see it has the potential to either help or harm town, depending on how it's handled, and I think oblivion is making the right decision at the probably the right time.

But what a crappy role! Is there any way to handle it in town's favour without committing suicide near the game's beginning?

Meanwhile:

##vote oblivion##

I can't see a town player seeing any sort of silver lining in this role. We either eat 3 town deaths in a row, or we leave the decision of when to exercise the double night in scum's hands. Or, I don't out it and it just happens when it happens, with unknown consequences regarding exposed town specials.

Crumple doesn't even appear to be playing today, which makes him an attractive sacrificial lynch, which also doesn't 'feel right' to me. I think ksen is his normal town self. Zigmen, I dunno.

I have to go, so
##vote crumple##


ob - 2 (zigmen, feck)
crumple 3 (ob, mantis, b.ternarius)
mantis 1 (r.c)
ksen 1 (ironclad)
nolynch 1 (ksen)

Distancing herself from the crumple cardflip.

this is going to be a really quiet night isn't it, post wise? Did any of the responses to your outing raise any flags? for me it was zigmen and b.tern that kind of stood out. But on a reread I might add feck and ksen to that list. Both were very accepting and not very curious, especially feck is usually very keen to figure out the game design and flavor.

It just struck me that all four players you've named as suspicious have played a lot of games at TR, and know raven/oblivion's mafia style very well. I wonder if that's one thing you're picking up in our responses? Because I for certain felt relieved when oblivion outed her weird role, because then her day one posts made sense instead of just sounding like she was going into a depression or ill or summat.

Oblivion, it's true, I thought you were losin' it yesterday.

Ob has played here for a couple of years at least now, so we know her style fairly well. I'll admit that I don't know you or ksen or athene's style as well as I'd like. Feck has played a lot more over here than at TR so I'm feeling pretty sure we have a right to mistrust him at this point.

In all probability one or more of your four suspects is scum. It just seemed to me that there isn't equal reason to suspect them, and the TR mafia connection seemed to me to be possibly influencing your reaction.

Also, you seem to suspect me as soon as I turn up in a game, whether I'm scum or not, or that has been my perception.

And I'm very curious about how this dynamic duo situation affects the game overall.

expressing curiosity about the entanglement of UT's and my role. Consider Feck's curiosity as well. Aside from UT and me, who have the most reason to wonder, most of town has (rightly) not wondered out loud about what might be going on.

I was trying to be off and to piss people off. So I was playing in the mode I had after damian stopped playing. there was a hole in tr mafia for a while, and I semi-intentionally filled it. I had to stop myself from being as abrasive as I wanted to be yesterday.

I didn't want to be protected last night, so I played to avoid that. when the game is over I want to know if it worked.

I figured playing badly enough to be lynched would backfire and people would assume I was a jester.

You are probably right, they would think jester.

I wasn't a mafia player while damien was playing, just read some of the games he played.

I don't think scum will nk you tonight. Especially with the UT part of the role still a bit mysterious.

two interesting things about this post. "they" would think jester. Not "we".
And more veiled speculation about UT.

[Athene]

linus 2 ( zig, b.ter, char, i.c*)

athene 0 (ob)

zig 1 (irre rc)

b.ter 2 (athene, ut)

dp 0 (feck)

ob 1 (linus)

feck 1 (mantis)

diva 3 (ob, feck, irre, char)

rc 1 (diva)[/quote]

Ob - irre, ob, char, zig, b.tern, feck
DP - irre
Irre - zig
B.tern - zig
mantis - r.c
feck - mantis, ksen
ksen - i.c
no lynch athene, ksen
crumple - ob, mantis, b.tern, athene, u.t, irre

ksen - ob, U.T, b.tern, feck, r.c
Mantis - i.c
Feck - Ksen, Athene, U.T, mantis, ob, b.tern, char
Athene - ob, D.P, U.T, r.c, feck
D.P - char

red - scum
blue - town
green - claimed special

[Athene]

linus 2 ( zig, b.ter, char, i.c*)
athene 0 (ob)
zig 1 (irre rc)
b.ter 2 (athene, ut)
dp 0 (feck)
ob 1 (linus)
feck 1 (mantis)
diva 3 (ob, feck, irre, char)
rc 1 (diva)

Ob - irre, ob, char, zig, b.tern, feck
DP - irre
Irre - zig
B.tern - zig
mantis - r.c
feck - mantis, ksen
ksen - i.c
no lynch athene, ksen
crumple - ob, mantis, b.tern, athene, u.t, irre

ksen - ob, U.T, b.tern, feck, r.c
Mantis - i.c
Feck - Ksen, Athene, U.T, mantis, ob, b.tern, char
Athene - ob, D.P, U.T, r.c, feck
D.P - char

red - scum
blue - town
green - claimed special

[Athene]

Ob, when I was doing my colour coding vote chart thing for day 3, I noticed I was wrong before - you weren't the hammer vote on feck, b.tern was. If not for that then yes the posts don't look all that great but imo there are better candidates for a lynch. Charlou looks even more scummy now waiting until right near the end to vote and only after feck was in the lead.

[oblivion]

Yeah, I'm not sure I'd put b.tern first on my list to lynch, but after repeatedly white knighting her on day 2, I want to highlight all the stuff that sounds off-notes.

I'm thinking my participation in the game is about to come to a close, though the bulk of my impact is only beginning. I'm doing a last analysis and braindump because this is most likely it.

When I'm done here, I have another braindump to do.

[Athene]

also, whatdoyou guys think? Do you think DP would make a case against Irre about not receiving block messages, if he was scum?

that's pretty much the only reason that i'm going by him being town... but, is this a good enough reason? this might be wifom, i'm just wondering if we're giving him a free pass

I might have made that case if I were scum. The reason I might advance the case is with the idea of buying a town lynch because I'd assume that I would be an early lynch, anyway. I'm usually the 1st or 2nd scum to be lynched or vig killed.

DP's scum game is such that I don't think he'd consider buying one townie lynch with his own.

That's my impression. When I first started playing at ratz he had a statistically improbable run of scum roles. Since then, I've only seen his scum game once or twice.

Statistically improbable my ass, you lot skewed the odds.

I already apologised for messing up the irre thing, thought I had caught her in a lie, even put links in back it up. Then you all shot it down.

Ironclads interpretation of his message was interesting, I know ratskep put in clues, but trying to link it to mantis was interesting, to say the least. Might be interesting to see if he goes out at night...

Which brings me to ksen, he seemed pretty scummy so far but mixing up scum and special tells isn't unheard of, if he's telling the truth then that adds him to ut and Ob as town.

Charlou, don't know at this point, she's pretty active, seems to be townish most of the time, but a few odd posts here and there.

Athene, Ob suspected her at the beginning, and still does, some odd posts, Think she goes in the scum pile.

Rc, a cipher, nothing really stands out, good or bad.

Mantis, leaning town, especially if ironclad turns out to be scum.

Feck, seems kinda scummy to me, but he usually does, game is just a little off.

B. Tern, nothing really scummy stands out, in the maybe group.

@@vote ut@@
##vote athene##

D.P has no votes on day 1 or 2, his only 'scum hunting' today is a list of reads and a vote on me based mainly on the fact that ob thought I was scum - yet he was getting a scummy vibe from Feck.

[Athene]

who do you think you'll view Athene?

Either r.c or charlou. If we have a vig then I think they should take out d.p tonight.

[Uselesstwit]

yes, but char moved from one town bw to another onto the successful one on day one, that's not something I expect form a scum.

but you are right b.tern certainly didn't have to join in yesterday's lynch. so that does look better for her. There was more than enough smoke for scum to have voted elsewhere yesterday.

[oblivion]

yes, but char moved from one town bw to another onto the successful one on day one, that's not something I expect form a scum.

but you are right b.tern certainly didn't have to join in yesterday's lynch. so that does look better for her. There was more than enough smoke for scum to have voted elsewhere yesterday.

based on Athene's count, I thought I had put her out of danger of being lynched. I can't say for sure that b.tern knew Athene was wrong. If she did accept athene's count, then her vote is not really any different from Charlou's.

[Athene]

yes, but char moved from one town bw to another onto the successful one on day one, that's not something I expect form a scum.

but you are right b.tern certainly didn't have to join in yesterday's lynch. so that does look better for her. There was more than enough smoke for scum to have voted elsewhere yesterday.

Why is whiteknighting a scum tell? I see town do it far more then scum? You don't need to answer that.


Her reason for unvoting linus looks to me like she's waiting for oblivion to make a judgement on it.

My vote wasn't just about your vote on ob, Linus, it was also about the concern Zigmen raised ... your use of "NK" looks like a slip up. When I reread your posts your strategic gameplay became more apparently scummish in my view. I do want to see what ob comes back with though.

She lists reasons why she put her vote on Linus and then puts in the bit about wanting to see what ob comes back with as a way of justifying her unvote.

[Athene]

What do you guys think about d.p?

[oblivion]

yes, but char moved from one town bw to another onto the successful one on day one, that's not something I expect form a scum.

but you are right b.tern certainly didn't have to join in yesterday's lynch. so that does look better for her. There was more than enough smoke for scum to have voted elsewhere yesterday.

Why is whiteknighting a scum tell? I see town do it far more then scum? You don't need to answer that.


Her reason for unvoting linus looks to me like she's waiting for oblivion to make a judgement on it.

My vote wasn't just about your vote on ob, Linus, it was also about the concern Zigmen raised ... your use of "NK" looks like a slip up. When I reread your posts your strategic gameplay became more apparently scummish in my view. I do want to see what ob comes back with though.

She lists reasons why she put her vote on Linus and then puts in the bit about wanting to see what ob comes back with as a way of justifying her unvote.

that was weird, and it was part of why I was suspicious of her on day 1. She voted linus because he voted me. I was not exactly giving off unequivocal town vibes on day 1 by design. I had told Linus to piss off earlier in the day when he'd asked me to explain myself.

[Ironclad]

You guys are very impressive in your investigations! Fair fucking play. And good work bringing down the Don.

I've had a long, tiresome day at work today and an early start in the morning so I shall put very little into this vote tonight, sorry. But then again, our town is starting to turn the tide, so i'm in safe hands

##vote Mantisdreamz##

Hey, if anything i'm consistant lol. All the best, nighty night.

[Don't Panic]

You guys are very impressive in your investigations! Fair fucking play. And good work bringing down the Don.

I've had a long, tiresome day at work today and an early start in the morning so I shall put very little into this vote tonight, sorry. But then again, our town is starting to turn the tide, so i'm in safe hands

##vote Mantisdreamz##

Hey, if anything i'm consistant lol. All the best, nighty night.

You're voting for someone the seer has cleared as town, three hours before the day starts, and saying you're planning to hit da club?

Either you are town or this is an amazingly genius scum ploy, because at the moment your gameplay is coming across as too dumb for you to have any teammates.