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Re: Is it wrong for great art works to be hoarded by the ric

Post by Animavore » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:51 pm

Is Jackson Pollox supposed to induce paredolia?

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Post by Gallstones » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:52 pm

laklak wrote:When I win the lottery and buy lots of paintings I'll let y'all come look at them. No admission charge, you just have to spit on a Bible or Koran. Not that the fundies will want to come see my collection of Old Masters Porn anyway.
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Post by devogue » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:55 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Coito ergo sum wrote:your system would make the bottom drop out of the market for artwork
Excellent!
I think wine is too expensive. It should be free to the proles, because one's income shouldn't determine what fine wines one can drink by the bottle. I'm on my way over - have a Chateau Mouton Rothschild, or equivalent,ready for me in a brown paper bag. I'd never be able to afford that on my own.

You don't mind me taking that from your store for free now, do you?
Is great wine art?

It it is, it's cocooned art. I can see the glories of Velasquez, but I can only imagine the glories of Mouton 1945.

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Re: Is it wrong for great art works to be hoarded by the ric

Post by Gallstones » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:08 pm

Animavore wrote:Is Jackson Pollox supposed to induce paredolia?
If you want it too.


Here is a series of paintings that could never be appreciated to intended affect (by the artist) as digital images.
An artist like Rothko could never be represented by digital copies of his paintings. Even photographs can't show it as it is.

We can't even be sure the color is being accurately reproduced by the camera or either of our monitors.
Here it looks purple
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:13 pm

devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:your system would make the bottom drop out of the market for artwork
Excellent!
I think wine is too expensive. It should be free to the proles, because one's income shouldn't determine what fine wines one can drink by the bottle. I'm on my way over - have a Chateau Mouton Rothschild, or equivalent,ready for me in a brown paper bag. I'd never be able to afford that on my own.

You don't mind me taking that from your store for free now, do you?
Is great wine art?
No, but art is not the only thing that money determines access to. It's a luxury. I want an expensive bottle of wine, and you rich guys are hoarding it.
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It it is, it's cocooned art. I can see the glories of Velasquez, but I can only imagine the glories of Mouton 1945.
If you're allowed to buy it at a nominal price, or get it free, you most certainly can experience the glories of the Mouton 1945. I don't think you should be allowed to buy expensive wine and keep it in your house and hoard it, or fill a store with it and make profits off of it. It's all grapes, and I want access to it. So, we should have a wine registry - any bottle of wine that costs more than $20 must be on a wine registry and kept in a public wine display location wherein people can come and check it out. If they want to buy a bottle, they do so on a means-tested financial analysis, so that the cost of the wine is dependent on income. Oh, you'll still get the benefit of selling the wine - you just can't do it from your store, and you can't sell it for exhorbitent prices so folks of limited means can have access to good wines too.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:17 pm

I never got Rothko. Maroon rectangles just don't seem to engage emotionally with me. And yes, I have seen his stuff in galleries, but all I get is meh. :ddpan:
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Post by devogue » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:20 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:your system would make the bottom drop out of the market for artwork
Excellent!
I think wine is too expensive. It should be free to the proles, because one's income shouldn't determine what fine wines one can drink by the bottle. I'm on my way over - have a Chateau Mouton Rothschild, or equivalent,ready for me in a brown paper bag. I'd never be able to afford that on my own.

You don't mind me taking that from your store for free now, do you?
Is great wine art?
No, but art is not the only thing that money determines access to. It's a luxury. I want an expensive bottle of wine, and you rich guys are hoarding it.
devogue wrote:
It it is, it's cocooned art. I can see the glories of Velasquez, but I can only imagine the glories of Mouton 1945.
If you're allowed to buy it at a nominal price, or get it free, you most certainly can experience the glories of the Mouton 1945. I don't think you should be allowed to buy expensive wine and keep it in your house and hoard it, or fill a store with it and make profits off of it. It's all grapes, and I want access to it. So, we should have a wine registry - any bottle of wine that costs more than $20 must be on a wine registry and kept in a public wine display location wherein people can come and check it out. If they want to buy a bottle, they do so on a means-tested financial analysis, so that the cost of the wine is dependent on income. Oh, you'll still get the benefit of selling the wine - you just can't do it from your store, and you can't sell it for exhorbitent prices so folks of limited means can have access to good wines too.
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I never got Rothko. Maroon rectangles just don't seem to engage emotionally with me. And yes, I have seen his stuff in galleries, but all I get is meh. :ddpan:
No. They don't do much for me, either :ddpan:
This Pollock guy, though :tup:

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devogue wrote:
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

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25 pounds is too much for a sample. I want it for less, and so do the masses. The price will have to be about 1 pound per sample. And, Mouton Rothschild llimits their production in part to keep the prices high on certain wines. We ought to require vintners to increase production sufficiently so that sufficient amount of wine is widely available. I'd suggest a Ministry of Wine which determines the amount of production, so that vintners can't artificially prop up wine prices by purposefully limiting production.

And, first come, first served is unfair because some people have better transportation, and that better transportation is hoarded by the rich.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:32 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

:fall:
25 pounds is too much for a sample. I want it for less, and so do the masses. The price will have to be about 1 pound per sample. And, Mouton Rothschild llimits their production in part to keep the prices high on certain wines. We ought to require vintners to increase production sufficiently so that sufficient amount of wine is widely available. I'd suggest a Ministry of Wine which determines the amount of production, so that vintners can't artificially prop up wine prices by purposefully limiting production.

And, first come, first served is unfair because some people have better transportation, and that better transportation is hoarded by the rich.
Hoarding, you say? What would you know? Your insipid, American hoarding cannot compete with the centuries of hoarding experience that we Europeans have refined to an artform. :tea:
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Post by devogue » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:34 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

:fall:
25 pounds is too much for a sample. I want it for less, and so do the masses. The price will have to be about 1 pound per sample. And, Mouton Rothschild llimits their production in part to keep the prices high on certain wines. We ought to require vintners to increase production sufficiently so that sufficient amount of wine is widely available. I'd suggest a Ministry of Wine which determines the amount of production, so that vintners can't artificially prop up wine prices by purposefully limiting production.

And, first come, first served is unfair because some people have better transportation, and that better transportation is hoarded by the rich.
All very good points. Do carry on....

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:38 pm

devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

:fall:
25 pounds is too much for a sample. I want it for less, and so do the masses. The price will have to be about 1 pound per sample. And, Mouton Rothschild llimits their production in part to keep the prices high on certain wines. We ought to require vintners to increase production sufficiently so that sufficient amount of wine is widely available. I'd suggest a Ministry of Wine which determines the amount of production, so that vintners can't artificially prop up wine prices by purposefully limiting production.

And, first come, first served is unfair because some people have better transportation, and that better transportation is hoarded by the rich.
All very good points. Do carry on....
And, you should stop operating your business at a profit. It's unfair to people who can't afford to open businesses like yours. And, you don't pay employees enough, and you don't pay enough taxes. Give me your money.

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Post by devogue » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:42 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
devogue wrote:
Even better: Mouton Rothschild makes about 120,000 bottles of wine per vintage, costing £500 each. If a bottle gives 20 samples then 1.5 million people could pay £25 and experience its incredible delights - for a 35ml sample is all that is required to capture its magic. First come, first served, because unlike a piece of art it is necessarily finite.

:fall:
25 pounds is too much for a sample. I want it for less, and so do the masses. The price will have to be about 1 pound per sample. And, Mouton Rothschild llimits their production in part to keep the prices high on certain wines. We ought to require vintners to increase production sufficiently so that sufficient amount of wine is widely available. I'd suggest a Ministry of Wine which determines the amount of production, so that vintners can't artificially prop up wine prices by purposefully limiting production.

And, first come, first served is unfair because some people have better transportation, and that better transportation is hoarded by the rich.
All very good points. Do carry on....
And, you should stop operating your business at a profit. It's unfair to people who can't afford to open businesses like yours. And, you don't pay employees enough, and you don't pay enough taxes. Give me your money.
Actually, I'm not being facetious when I say that's pretty much how it panned out for me. My feckless relatives have their mortgages paid and plenty of dosh for having a good time, far more than I have. I'm about to go bust anyway after years of aspiring and materialism. Now I just want a simple house, a simple job and a nearby beach.

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Re: Is it wrong for great art works to be hoarded by the ric

Post by Gallstones » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:57 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I never got Rothko. Maroon rectangles just don't seem to engage emotionally with me. And yes, I have seen his stuff in galleries, but all I get is meh. :ddpan:
I just finished a biography and having some information on him and how he thought and what motivated him and his working method, I find I have an affinity for Rothko the artist and an appreciation for his work that I might not have otherwise have had.
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Post by Gallstones » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:59 pm

Animavore wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:I never got Rothko. Maroon rectangles just don't seem to engage emotionally with me. And yes, I have seen his stuff in galleries, but all I get is meh. :ddpan:
No. They don't do much for me, either :ddpan:
This Pollock guy, though :tup:

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Read his biography.
I just put in a request for it via my library.
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