http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... -love.htmlHis speech was punctuated twice by hecklers, including some AIDS activists who have now made it a practice to interrupt Obama’s campaign events. Both times the hecklers were shouted down by Obama supporters.
After winning Florida in 2008? And with Republicans setting their sights on Medicare and maybe even Social Security?Coito ergo sum wrote:At the moment, the sentiment over here is that Obama would lose big in Florida.
The "sentiment." That's my experience, of course. But, I travel in very liberal circles. My office has nothing but Obama voters in it, and my atheist social circle tends toward the Left. They are disappointed, unmotivated, and worried that the economy is just too bad to allow for his reelection. Plus, it's sort of an emperors new clothes thing - he was built up to be something almost superhuman, and we've seen all too clearly that he is not really all that. So, the let down from the build-up causes a demoralization among his supporters.Ian wrote:After winning Florida in 2008? And with Republicans setting their sights on Medicare and maybe even Social Security?Coito ergo sum wrote:At the moment, the sentiment over here is that Obama would lose big in Florida.
Do you have any polls?
Obama hasn't even faced a really salvo against him yet. The media support for him is very strong, so it's going to take a lot of doing. However, all it will take is a little bit of objective reporting, and his image will decline. He's managed to stay aloof, and set himself above the fray, which is why people's opinions of him have remained fairly good. However, if the economy is worse than it is now this time next year, he is burnt toast.Ian wrote:
A few polls over the last few days (which mean almost squat 17 months before the election, but what the hell I feel like posting in this thread for some reason) show Obama in a close race with a "generic Republican candidate", but beating every one of the named Republicans in head-to-head polls. Have no doubt - the GOP has its work cut out for it if they want to take down Obama next year.
...and if another 90,000 judiciously selected voters can be disenfranchised.Tero wrote:It will be a tight race. To be decided by old people in Florida poking randomly at touch screen and tea partyers afraid to give their address to the gubment.
Of course, and for good reason. The GOP has a long track record of resorting to dirty tricks. Remember "The Plumbers"? or this?:Coito ergo sum wrote:....lol...and so it begins....the unceasing whine that somehow, someway, Democrats get "disenfranchised"
The Florida Secretary of State’s Office hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, Inc. (now ChoicePoint Corporation) to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida’s voting rolls. Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed (Kelly, 2002). This is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but as it turns out, 97 percent were innocent and should not have been removed. "The list was full of mistakes mainly because of the criteria [the database company] used. It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and dates of birth. Thus a Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the US. [the database company] also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors even more against black voters" (Borger & Palast, 2001). As The Nation magazine reported, "immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ‘ex-felons,’ of being denied translation services required by law, … and of harassment by poll workers and law-enforcement officials." The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities (Kelly, 2002).
Long history? Remember Kennedy getting elected because he won Illinois because the Daley Machine got more people to vote than were on voter rolls, and the cemeteries produced a record number of voters? Remember how they routinely try to keep military voters from being counted? Push polls? Ritchie's refusal to investigate rampant voter fraud including 261,000 duplicates and 63,000 voters who had listed non-existent addresses in the election of Al Franken. The same democrat officials officials "discovered" errors in the vote (in Franken's favor) coming from three small precincts controlled by Democrats. Other irregularities included "misplaced" ballots turning up in an official's trunk. Some 17,000 more ballots were counted in the Minnesota Senate election than there were recorded voters. Remember the thugs blocking polling places with night sticks?Seraph wrote:Of course, and for good reason. The GOP has a long track record of resorting to dirty tricks. Remember "The Plumbers"? or this?:Coito ergo sum wrote:....lol...and so it begins....the unceasing whine that somehow, someway, Democrats get "disenfranchised"The Florida Secretary of State’s Office hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, Inc. (now ChoicePoint Corporation) to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida’s voting rolls. Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed (Kelly, 2002). This is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but as it turns out, 97 percent were innocent and should not have been removed. "The list was full of mistakes mainly because of the criteria [the database company] used. It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and dates of birth. Thus a Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the US. [the database company] also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors even more against black voters" (Borger & Palast, 2001). As The Nation magazine reported, "immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ‘ex-felons,’ of being denied translation services required by law, … and of harassment by poll workers and law-enforcement officials." The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities (Kelly, 2002).
That explains why the Democrats managed to win as many elections as they did: They've learnt from the Republicans.Coito ergo sum wrote:Remember Kennedy getting elected because he won Illinois because the Daley Machine got more people to vote than were on voter rolls, and the cemeteries produced a record number of voters? Remember how they routinely try to keep military voters from being counted? Push polls? Ritchie's refusal to investigate rampant voter fraud including 261,000 duplicates and 63,000 voters who had listed non-existent addresses in the election of Al Franken. The same democrat officials officials "discovered" errors in the vote (in Franken's favor) coming from three small precincts controlled by Democrats. Other irregularities included "misplaced" ballots turning up in an official's trunk. Some 17,000 more ballots were counted in the Minnesota Senate election than there were recorded voters. Remember the thugs blocking polling places with night sticks?
The Democrats have overwhelmingly controlled the US Congress for about 3/4 of the last 75 years.Seraph wrote:That explains why the Democrats managed to win as many elections as they did: They've learnt from the Republicans.Coito ergo sum wrote:Remember Kennedy getting elected because he won Illinois because the Daley Machine got more people to vote than were on voter rolls, and the cemeteries produced a record number of voters? Remember how they routinely try to keep military voters from being counted? Push polls? Ritchie's refusal to investigate rampant voter fraud including 261,000 duplicates and 63,000 voters who had listed non-existent addresses in the election of Al Franken. The same democrat officials officials "discovered" errors in the vote (in Franken's favor) coming from three small precincts controlled by Democrats. Other irregularities included "misplaced" ballots turning up in an official's trunk. Some 17,000 more ballots were counted in the Minnesota Senate election than there were recorded voters. Remember the thugs blocking polling places with night sticks?
Stop whinging about the injustice of it all. Perlease!Coito ergo sum wrote:I'm trying to figure out where the idea came from of the flippin' Democratic Party as some sort of downtrodden camp of folks just trying to do good and get out from under Republican dominance. I mean - really. The Democrats LEARNED from the Republicans? The flippin' Democrat Party is older than the Republican Party and has been up to its political shenanigans since day one.
Oh, sorry, I just need to trot off and allow you to continue whinging about the Republicans fixing elections and disenfranchising people. That whinging about injustice is just fine.Seraph wrote:Stop whinging about the injustice of it all. Perlease!Coito ergo sum wrote:I'm trying to figure out where the idea came from of the flippin' Democratic Party as some sort of downtrodden camp of folks just trying to do good and get out from under Republican dominance. I mean - really. The Democrats LEARNED from the Republicans? The flippin' Democrat Party is older than the Republican Party and has been up to its political shenanigans since day one.
Does that mean we are finally spared your whining about "..the unceasing whine that somehow, someway, Democrats get "disenfranchised"..."?Coito ergo sum wrote:I just need to trot off and allow you to continue whinging about the Republicans fixing elections and disenfranchising people.
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