Osama bin Laden: Dead

[Ian]

Could someone here please, please tell me why two dozen elite SEALs would need to shoot a captive in the back of the head if they didn't want people to think that the captive had been summarily executed? If he really was captured first, all those commandos can't manage to shoot him in the face?


And what if it turns out he was shot in the back or side of the head? Perhaps he was lunging for the AK-47 and pistol that were right next to him in the room?

[Gawd]

Could someone here please, please tell me why two dozen elite SEALs would need to shoot a captive in the back of the head if they didn't want people to think that the captive had been summarily executed? If he really was captured first, all those commandos can't manage to shoot him in the face?


And what if it turns out he was shot in the back or side of the head? Perhaps he was lunging for the AK-47 and pistol that were right next to him in the room?

Why did the Jews shoot 9 unarmed activists in the Gaza Flotilla in the back of the head at point blank range multiple times?

[kiki5711]

But yeah, wouldn't it be a hoot to see Obama stand trial in the Hague for "war crimes?"

Why Seth?

If anyone should be, it should be Chaney! Bastard of all bastards.

I don't even blame Bush. He's sooo lame, can't even be mad at him.

[Seth]

Could someone here please, please tell me why two dozen elite SEALs would need to shoot a captive in the back of the head if they didn't want people to think that the captive had been summarily executed? If he really was captured first, all those commandos can't manage to shoot him in the face?


And what if it turns out he was shot in the back or side of the head? Perhaps he was lunging for the AK-47 and pistol that were right next to him in the room?

Why did the Jews shoot 9 unarmed activists in the Gaza Flotilla in the back of the head at point blank range multiple times?

They didn't.

[Gawd]

Could someone here please, please tell me why two dozen elite SEALs would need to shoot a captive in the back of the head if they didn't want people to think that the captive had been summarily executed? If he really was captured first, all those commandos can't manage to shoot him in the face?


And what if it turns out he was shot in the back or side of the head? Perhaps he was lunging for the AK-47 and pistol that were right next to him in the room?

Why did the Jews shoot 9 unarmed activists in the Gaza Flotilla in the back of the head at point blank range multiple times?

They didn't.

Yes, the Jews did.

[Seth]

Could someone here please, please tell me why two dozen elite SEALs would need to shoot a captive in the back of the head if they didn't want people to think that the captive had been summarily executed? If he really was captured first, all those commandos can't manage to shoot him in the face?


And what if it turns out he was shot in the back or side of the head? Perhaps he was lunging for the AK-47 and pistol that were right next to him in the room?

Why did the Jews shoot 9 unarmed activists in the Gaza Flotilla in the back of the head at point blank range multiple times?

They didn't.

Yes, the Jews did.

No, they didn't.

[Gawd]

Why did the Jews shoot 9 unarmed activists in the Gaza Flotilla in the back of the head at point blank range multiple times?

They didn't.

Yes, the Jews did.

No, they didn't.

I guess all those Israeli bullets just jumped into the back of the heads of the unarmed activists all by them inanimate selves, multiple times. It was absolutely no fault of the Jews.

[Svartalf]

Actually, it was done by buddhist mercs on direct orders from Moscow, so no, it was no fault of the jews

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Al-Qaeda vows revenge for bin Laden death
Group confirms death of its leader in an online posting and says it will continue attacks on the West.

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[kiki5711]

Al-Qaeda vows revenge for bin Laden death
Group confirms death of its leader in an online posting and says it will continue attacks on the West.

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UN human rights investigators called on the United States on Friday to disclose the full facts surrounding the killing of bin Laden, in particular whether there had been any plan to capture him.

Whether there had been any plan to capture him? duhhhhhhh, only for the past 10 years..."dead or alive" newsflash!!!!

did they think we were bringing him ham sandwiches?

[Coito ergo sum]

Al-Qaeda vows revenge for bin Laden death
Group confirms death of its leader in an online posting and says it will continue attacks on the West.

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UN human rights investigators called on the United States on Friday to disclose the full facts surrounding the killing of bin Laden, in particular whether there had been any plan to capture him.

Whether there had been any plan to capture him? duhhhhhhh, only for the past 10 years..."dead or alive" newsflash!!!!

did they think we were bringing him ham sandwiches?

LOL - it should be obvious. The UN will find that if there never was any plan to capture him IN THIS INSTANCE, and that it was an assassination, then it may very well be murder under international law. Whether it's Osama or someone else doesn't matter.

And, if it's found he was unarmed and shot in cold blood, then even if he's Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot, it would still be murder. Wouldn't it?

What would you have said in 2008, had a report came out that George W. Bush issued an order for special forces ground troops to make an incursion into Pakistan, without UN approval, without authorization or even notification to Congress, without authorization or even notification to Pakistan, and shot up a house, shot at least one unarmed female, killed several unarmed males, and shot an unarmed Osama bin Laden? Then add to that that the first story that came out was that he was armed and put up a firefight and used his wife as a human shield, then you found out that was wrong. Then you found out he wasn't even armed. Then you found out they say it was him, but they hastily disposed of the body at sea, and now won't release the pictures.

Can any of the Obama supporters here honestly say that they would be like - hells yeah! Who cares about the details and who cares about the photo - we got him! Who cares if the story changes every two seconds...way to go GW?

Isn't this really a situation where partisanship is giving Obama a pass on what GW would be kicked in the balls for?

And, wouldn't many of you be calling for Bush to be tried as a war criminal for ordering an assassination of an unarmed man on foreign soil?

[Seth]

Al-Qaeda vows revenge for bin Laden death
Group confirms death of its leader in an online posting and says it will continue attacks on the West.

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UN human rights investigators called on the United States on Friday to disclose the full facts surrounding the killing of bin Laden, in particular whether there had been any plan to capture him.

Whether there had been any plan to capture him? duhhhhhhh, only for the past 10 years..."dead or alive" newsflash!!!!

did they think we were bringing him ham sandwiches?

LOL - it should be obvious. The UN will find that if there never was any plan to capture him IN THIS INSTANCE, and that it was an assassination, then it may very well be murder under international law. Whether it's Osama or someone else doesn't matter.

Current reports indicate that there was an interrogation team waiting in the wings, so looks like this argument is out the window. Better luck next time in your terrorist-coddling apologia.

And, if it's found he was unarmed and shot in cold blood, then even if he's Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot, it would still be murder. Wouldn't it?

Nope. You can only murder a human being. That doesn't include Osama or anyone around him.

What would you have said in 2008, had a report came out that George W. Bush issued an order for special forces ground troops to make an incursion into Pakistan, without UN approval, without authorization or even notification to Congress, without authorization or even notification to Pakistan, and shot up a house, shot at least one unarmed female, killed several unarmed males, and shot an unarmed Osama bin Laden?

I'd have said "Right fucking on, Mr. President. Good, swift retribution. Kudos!" Here's a clue: Hang around with the most wanted terrorist on the planet and you're likely to get suddenly dead. Whether by bullet or JDAM. Don't want the risk? Turn him in for the reward.

[JimC]

Gotta love Michael Moore: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... trial.html "They killed him not because there was a fire fight or something going on. They went there with the intention to kill him. That's an execution or an assassination, whatever you want to call it," Michael Moore told CNN.

If, of course, this happened 3 years ago, he would not have spoken in pronouns...he would have said BUSH AND CHENEY killed him and BUSH AND CHENEY sent the SEALS in with the intention of killing him, and that's an assassination by BUSH AND CHENEY whatever you want to call it....

Now, though, he's careful to use pronoun form "they..."

Aside from what Mike Moore may or may not have said if this was the the Bush era, what he suggests is certainly possible, I think... It is not an absurd conspiracist rant...

I'm not pretending I know he was executed for certain; Moore's certainty is rather absolutist...

[charlou]

Gotta love Michael Moore: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... trial.html "They killed him not because there was a fire fight or something going on. They went there with the intention to kill him. That's an execution or an assassination, whatever you want to call it," Michael Moore told CNN.

If, of course, this happened 3 years ago, he would not have spoken in pronouns...he would have said BUSH AND CHENEY killed him and BUSH AND CHENEY sent the SEALS in with the intention of killing him, and that's an assassination by BUSH AND CHENEY whatever you want to call it....

Now, though, he's careful to use pronoun form "they..."

Aside from what Mike Moore may or may not have said if this was the the Bush era, what he suggests is certainly possible, I think... It is not an absurd conspiracist rant...

I'm not pretending I know he was executed for certain; Moore's certainty is rather absolutist...

I agree, Jim. Obama's press release afterwards did indicate it may well have been the case, though. Seraph pointed it out here (my bolding): http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 01#p842301

it has all the hallmarks of an assassination, with the spin of "died while resisting arrest" being the hallmark of rather dodgy police procedures in other jurisdictions...

There does not appear to be even a hint of that spin. Early in his speech a few days ago Obama said he was killed AFTER a firefight. The word stuck out like dogs' balls.

Well, poorly applied spin, then...

What you are not going to get them to say is "we went in, and deliberately killed him because it was a better fit with our strategy than bringing him back alive"

Perhaps one day, we will have a US president who says exactly that...

He has done that already. From the same speech: "I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Quaida." Take note of the sequence of words: killing comes before capture. I don't think that is just an accident.

[Ayaan]

That wording could be intentional or it could be a cultural thing. Wanted posters in the old American West read "Wanted Dead or Alive." It's hard to say without knowing a hell of a lot more about how much of the delivery was influenced by culture and how much by planning - and we all know what happens to the best laid plans of mice and men.