Gawd wrote:Ian wrote:Gawd wrote:Coito ergo sum wrote:Gawd wrote:The Americans on this board and in general are so vindictive and blind (except for Coito). They are full of rage and willful deceit that they do not see that they hold responsibility for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the rise of power of Osama bin Laden. They do not see any reason at all for an attack on Americans when decades of American sponsored wars, assassinations, and greed in the Middle East have brought forth it`s own vengeance. The murder of Osama bin Laden only goes to fuel more anger at the Americans, which started their own fire.
That's an overly simplistic assignment of blame. Obviously, no event is in a vacuum, and the US is not the only actor in the world, nor is it the only guilty actor. Other nations also participate and no more or less honorably or well intentioned than the United States.
The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere. They were the creation of the Americans in Afghanistan to terrorize the Soviets.
In a really roundabout sort of logic, the kind designed solely to blame America for everything that happens everywhere. It's like saying the Americans were responsible for Japanese atrocities in China in the 1930s because US Commodore Perry opened Japan up to trade and modernization decades earlier. Yeah, maybe if the US ignored Japan for a while longer then the Rape of Nanking wouldn't have happened in 1937. But it's just silly and biased. You blame before you analyze, Gawd. Actually I take that back: what you do cannot rightfully be called analysis.
Oh, straw arguments, Ian. You guys directly funded and helped create the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden who's sole aim was to terrorize the Soviets.
Yeah? So what? The Soviet Union was our enemy at the time and we needed to support anyone who would oppose Soviet expansionism. Politics makes strange bedfellows. But that was then, this is now. Sure, it would, in hindsight, which is always 20/20, been prudent to exterminate all of the Mujhadeen in Afghanistan after they kicked the Soviets out, but that wasn't a practical thing to do.
You'll note that until Osama came along in the 90's, a disaffected Saudi, the muhajadeen were quite friendly with the U.S. My friend Col. Robert Brown, publisher of SOF magazine spent quite a lot of time with them in Afghanistan after the Soviets left (and before they left too...arming and training them out of his own pocket till Congress made that illegal) and he is still good friends with a number of them today.
Osama decided he didn't like the US forces in Saudi Arabia after we trained and equipped him, and that's how Al Quaeda got started. Had nothing to do with our support for the Mujahadeen against the Soviets.
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