Art Appreciation.

[charlou]

I appreciate that very few will bother to read to the end of this bollocks, much less actually bother to cross-reference my comments with the original posts, so, for those that do...

I got to the end ... but only because I was looking for your disagreement with me ... and, tbh, I skimmed through the rest ... except this bit ^ .... and to you too, your disagreeableness.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I appreciate that very few will bother to read to the end of this bollocks, much less actually bother to cross-reference my comments with the original posts, so, for those that do...

I got to the end ... but only because I was looking for your disagreement with me ... and, tbh, I skimmed through the rest ... except this bit ^ .... and to you too, your disagreeableness.

No! You're wrong! It should be...

[charlou]

I appreciate that very few will bother to read to the end of this bollocks, much less actually bother to cross-reference my comments with the original posts, so, for those that do...

I got to the end ... but only because I was looking for your disagreement with me ... and, tbh, I skimmed through the rest ... except this bit ^ .... and to you too, your disagreeableness.

No! You're wrong! It should be...

Can't argue with that.

[Bella Fortuna]

Just posting in this thread so someone can disagree with me.

[charlou]

[Twoflower]

The only time I have really been able to appreciate and understand how much work goes into making a painting was when Rum took Squid and I on a tour of an art exhibit in Edinburgh.

[charlou]

The only time I have really been able to appreciate and understand how much work goes into making a painting was when Rum took Squid and I on a tour of an art exhibit in Edinburgh.

I was most struck by this years ago when I was helping a guy unload a heap of auction purchases that a friend had bought to stock her second-hand shop* ... one item was a tray that had been covered in tiny shells, glued on in a pattern depicting an australian theme ... I said I thought it was kitsch and he said he appreciated the time that had been put into it, the care in selecting the right coloured and sized shells to create the piece ... I felt a bit ashamed, humbled and grateful for his insight. He's not an academic either but I learned something valuable from his abrupt comment that day.

*She had one of those rambling establishments, chockers full of an eclectic array of interesting things ... sentimental, daggy, broken, restored, loved, discarded, nostalgic, trivial, important, dusty, polished ... you name it ... wonderful place ...

[Atheist-Lite]

That's the anal nature of the traditional artist where the smearing of the paint is the thin line between smearing faeces and food. The very fine line between these two developmental stages is trapped like in amber and the interest in painting is reflected in this, it usually begins at five or six. A good word about childhood painting whilst a strict attitude towards toilet training is enough to kick start the process. The vestigial recollection of the toilet training trauma two or three years earlier is still vivid and then there is a sudden release from this repression that produces a life time interest in detailed smearing, the production and search for positive affect from the critical art audience - the 'parents' from whom a good word is essential.

[Rum]

I disagree with everyone!

In order of posting:

I disagree with HPC because some art does require an understanding of the underlying techniques and the motives of the artist in order to appreciate fully. And some art that seems like garbage at first can grow on you the more you see it. And some art that immediately strikes you as wonderful in a visceral way can become tedious, bland, ordinary and very very average when one becomes well acquainted with it.

I disagree with Geoff because he is just agreeing with a woman in order to potentially get laid at some future date... Can't fault you there mate!

I disagree with Rum because he simply disagrees without explaining why.

I disagree with Crumple because, although alcohol is pretty fucking good, I find that it tends to obscure the worst of art rather than actually improve it! As an example, I cite the numerous occasions in my youth when I have enjoyed dancing to some pretty fucking shitty music simply because I was pissed out of my box and... well, I was just pissed out of my box!

I disagree with Geoff (again) because, as with other forms of art, ANY fucking alcohol tastes good when you have already had a skinful - i cite the lighter fluid scene in Withnail & I as authority - there is no higher!

Oops, sorry, I completely agree with Faithfree - I forgot about that post!

I disagree with Devogue because I know it will piss him off no end! And because he is equally as wrong as Hades, just coming at the wrongness from a diametrically opposite angle! Any degree of musical knowledge can add to ones appreciation of the technical skill that went into writing, performing and recording a piece of music - the more knowledge, the greater the appreciation. the thing is, knowing that some piece of music is the most intricately and skillfully woven turd on the planet, doesn't change the fact that (and I am talking completely subjectively here) you think it fucking stinks! Where Hades has dismissed technical knowledge in favour of the visceral, Dev has made an equal and opposite mistake.

I redisagree with Crumple because he is arguing against Dev's POV by championing its antithesis - when in fact, both have merit!

I agree with Rum in as far as I agree that he was lazy before - I said as much! What he goes on to say later is not too far off the mark either but I have to disagree with his mixing of tenses in this statement! "It does make a difference to how one looks at and appreciated art." Sorry, Rum, grammar nazi fail!

I disagree thirdly with Crumple because he really needs to get happy!

I disagree with Rum again because I think Crumple's trouble might just as equally be a lack of happifying intoxicants as much as anything. He needs more blowjobs if you ask me (by that I don't mean to imply that he should ask me for a blowjob - oh no!)

I disagree with Crumple again because, if his posts on the physical, economic and social collapse of the planet indicate a natural high, I will stick to wanking and booze!

I disagree with Charlou because... Actually, she has a fucking fit arse, don't you think?

I disagree with Stripes because that's what people do around here!

And finally, I disagree with everything I have written in this thread because I am a twat and have no professional expertise in any form off art except piss-artistry! but when it comes to that particular discipline, FUCK do I know what I like!

I appreciate that very few will bother to read to the end of this bollocks, much less actually bother to cross-reference my comments with the original posts, so, for those that do...

Well you are just plain wrong and I disagree with all of the above, except of course the bits that are right.

[Geoff]

Just posting in this thread so someone can disagree with me.

Agreed.

(see XC's original disagreement with me...)

I agre with charlou too..

[Feck]

Art ! elitist non-sense like jazz or dry fly fishing . green houses on car jacks, blocks of wood , lightbulbs on random timers , and photo copies of the Artists face glued to the bottom of ash-trays for sale ( I do mean YOU Tracy !) . It's value has become nothing more than it's price ,inflated by a clique .

Art courses no longer teach the techniques needed but teach the talk ,the sales Patter ! Almost all modern artists could sell Hondas from the dealerships !

Conceptal LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL TWATS and not nice clean ones, Blue Waffles the lot of them !

[Atheist-Lite]

Art ! elitist non-sense like jazz or dry fly fishing . green houses on car jacks, blocks of wood , lightbulbs on random timers , and photo copies of the Artists face glued to the bottom of ash-trays for sale ( I do mean YOU Tracy !) . It's value has become nothing more than it's price ,inflated by a clique .

Art courses no longer teach the techniques needed but teach the talk ,the sales Patter ! Almost all modern artists could sell Hondas from the dealerships !

Conceptal LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL TWATS and not nice clean ones, Blue Waffles the lot of them !

Damn that is it. Spot on. I don't need to add a thing. Other than there's a lot of really good art if you avoid the experts - outsider art is non-elitist but beware expensive immitations?

[hadespussercats]

Full disclosure:

I could find the "Sarcasm" emoticon.

[Hermit]

Full disclosure:

I could find the "Sarcasm" emoticon.

Dayang. All this time I thought you were actually on to something. The bit where you said that art is subjective.

[hadespussercats]

Full disclosure:

I could find the "Sarcasm" emoticon.

Dayang. All this time I thought you were actually on to something. The bit where you said that art is subjective.

Who said it isn't?

That's not all there is to it, though.