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Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Gallstones » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:36 pm

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2011/billhtml/HB0271.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2712220/posts
House Bill 271 allows for any person eligible to carry a concealed weapon to do so without applying for a license. This would extend concealed carry rights to cities. Rural areas already allow concealed carry without a permit.

Supporters of the bill said the legislation stops discrimination against the urban population and increases public safety.

Law enforcement associations spoke out against the bill saying it would endanger officers and would effectively do away with the licensing process.
I suppose the fear level and the outrage of some will go up now. The Governor still has to sign it, and since he's out as a gun rights advocate and lobbied in Wash DC, I expect he will sign it.

This one went down. I think it should have. Silencers for hunters--WTF!?
House Bill 174 would allow silencers to be used in the field for hunting. Big game would not be allowed to be hunted with a silencer.

Gun advocacy groups say the bill is a health and safety issue and the use of silencers would protect hunters' hearing. Opposition groups voiced concern about landowner rights and being able to hear someone hunting on their land.
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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Rob » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:08 pm

Yet another state in which I will not reside.
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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Gallstones » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:47 pm

Better watch out Rob, the only thing separating Washington from Montana is the Idaho chimney.
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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:55 pm

Gallstones wrote:http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2011/billhtml/HB0271.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2712220/posts
House Bill 271 allows for any person eligible to carry a concealed weapon to do so without applying for a license. This would extend concealed carry rights to cities. Rural areas already allow concealed carry without a permit.

Supporters of the bill said the legislation stops discrimination against the urban population and increases public safety.

Law enforcement associations spoke out against the bill saying it would endanger officers and would effectively do away with the licensing process.
I suppose the fear level and the outrage of some will go up now. The Governor still has to sign it, and since he's out as a gun rights advocate and lobbied in Wash DC, I expect he will sign it.
Silly LE administrators... Every cop knows that you treat EVERY person as if he or she is armed until you know otherwise. And if you have probable cause or reasonable suspicion to stop someone, you already have the legal right to disarm them for your safety, that's even true in most shall-issue states.

And if you don't have RS or PC to believe the person is involved in a crime, its none of your fucking business as a cop if they are legally carrying a gun. The rights of citizens to exercise their fundamental rights are not subject to being vetoed by 'frady-cat police officers. If a cop can't do his job properly because he's afraid of law-abiding citizens carrying guns, then he needs to be a not-police officer.
This one went down. I think it should have. Silencers for hunters--WTF!?
House Bill 174 would allow silencers to be used in the field for hunting. Big game would not be allowed to be hunted with a silencer.

Gun advocacy groups say the bill is a health and safety issue and the use of silencers would protect hunters' hearing. Opposition groups voiced concern about landowner rights and being able to hear someone hunting on their land.
Silencers are a great idea for small-game and varmint hunting, and I see no reason why big game should be exempt. What legitimate purpose is served by the government mandating that hunters risk their hearing just so the report of a gunshot can be heard? After all, the biggest complaint people have about shooting sports is the "sound of gunfire." You'd think that reducing the sound signature of gunshots would be well accepted.

Landowners lose no rights, but the issue of hearing someone hunting on their lands has some legitimacy. However, making it easier for landowners to patrol their land by preventing everyon from LAWFULLY using silencers while hunting is just plain silly. Trespass is trespass, and illegal hunting is illegal hunting, and if a poacher is going to poach on private property, he can just as easily use a silencer as not.

Besides, silencers are HEAVILY regulated by the BATFE. You have to have a Class III license to own one, pay a $200 tax stamp, and comply with all NFA restrictions, including notifying the BATFE and getting permission before moving the device interstates. This means that people who own silencers have been through an extensive and exhaustive criminal background check by the BATFE before they receive approval to own one, just as with machine guns. I think it's highly unlikely that poachers are going to pass such a check or bother with the paperwork, particularly since they can make their own silencers pretty easily if that's how they want to go about it. Completely illegal of course, but so is poaching.
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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Seth » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:57 pm

Rob wrote:Yet another state in which I will not reside.
Why? Are you perhaps under the mistaken impression that "Vermont style" concealed carry laws increase the carrying of firearms illegally by criminals?

What a silly notion.

BTW, I have a Washington state CCW permit, and I don't live there...
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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Rum » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:08 pm

Stupid.

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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by Ian » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:10 pm

Remarkably stupid.

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Re: Montana House Bill 271--voted in :-)

Post by egbert » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:46 pm

The Connecticut Senate on Thursday approved a measure that would ban children under 16 years old from handling or shooting machine guns.

The legislation, which passed on a 31-2 vote, stems from the October death of an 8-year-old Ashford boy who accidentally shot himself in the head with an Uzi at a Massachusetts gun show.

The boy, Christopher Bizilj, was killed Oct. 26 when he lost control of the powerful automatic weapon as it recoiled while he was firing at a pumpkin at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club. Christopher's father was 10 feet behind him and reaching for his camera when the child fired the weapon.

Three men, including Pelham, Mass., Police Chief Edward Fleury, whose business promoted the gun show, and two men who brought the Uzi, have been charged under Massachusetts law with involuntary manslaughter. Fleury was also charged with four counts of furnishing a machine gun to a person under 18.

Some senators considered gun rights advocates voted in favor of the bill, calling it common sense. But Sen. Kevin Witkos, R-Canton, a police officer, said he voted no because he doubts the legislation would stop any future tragedies.


Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford, who also voted against the bill, said he doesn't think a new law banning children from handling machine guns is necessary and said the government can't always stop the risks of life.

"We've got kids on dirt bikes riding all over the place. We've got them on skateboards doing all kinds of things that are high risk," he said. "You can't take all of the risk out of life. When we drove here this morning, we all took a risk."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04 ... -children/
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