Donald Trump The Birther

[kiki5711]

In addition, what would have stopped the CIA, FBI, GTH (means go to hell) and every other agency in the governement to find out the truth before he even ran for President. If it was the truth that he wasn't born in usa, and there was official proof, it would have come out long ago.

This "jerry springer" moment on behalf of Donald Duck and the Republicans is really a "circus act". And not even funny.

[Coito ergo sum]

on the other note,

they badger Obama for this god damn birth certificate, now they're saying he's wasting time obliging, after he NOT wanting to engage into it.

Republican congressional leadership, on the other hand, slammed the president for wasting his time on the matter.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... z1KvJqZKkt

The Republican Congressional leadership was not asking him for his birth certificate.

Moreover, the President chided everyone for the "waste of time" and proceeded from there to the Oprah Winfrey Show, and then to a fund raiser. Waste of time, indeed. He knows 'em when he sees 'em...

[Coito ergo sum]

In addition, what would have stopped the CIA, FBI, GTH (means go to hell) and every other agency in the governement to find out the truth before he even ran for President. If it was the truth that he wasn't born in usa, and there was official proof, it would have come out long ago.

This "jerry springer" moment on behalf of Donald Duck and the Republicans is really a "circus act". And not even funny.

What Republicans are among the birthers?

Attributing birthers to Republicans is like attributing 9/11 Truthers to the Democrats.

[Svartalf]

Uhm... you mean that there would be any democratic voters (I'm not even talking of registered republicans, note well) among the birthers?
The first birther was hillary, she was also the first to recognize how untenable the position was, and I don't think anybody in the party has clung to that particular brand of insanity.

[kiki5711]

He knows 'em when he sees 'em...

Exactly!

you have to know when to hold em and when to fold em.

Who, that is a democrat was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

[Coito ergo sum]

He knows 'em when he sees 'em...

Exactly!

you have to know when to hold em and when to fold em.

Who, that is a democrat was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

Who, that is a republican was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

As noted above, Hillary Clinton's campaign people raised the issue during the 2008 Democratic Primaries.

[kiki5711]

He knows 'em when he sees 'em...

Exactly!

you have to know when to hold em and when to fold em.

Who, that is a democrat was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

Who, that is a republican was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

As noted above, Hillary Clinton's campaign people raised the issue during the 2008 Democratic Primaries.

Yea, when the horse race is that close, you use anything to cast doubt, but when she realized it wasn't going to stick, she put it to rest.

[Coito ergo sum]

He knows 'em when he sees 'em...

Exactly!

you have to know when to hold em and when to fold em.

Who, that is a democrat was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

Who, that is a republican was part of the "birth certificate" circus?

As noted above, Hillary Clinton's campaign people raised the issue during the 2008 Democratic Primaries.

Yea, when the horse race is that close, you use anything to cast doubt, but when she realized it wasn't going to stick, she put it to rest.

lol - its ok when she does it.....

But, no Republican anywhere close to her stature even raised the issue. They all said it was a non-issue. Yet, you blame them...

[Svartalf]

Yes, it was, she demanded he prove he was a native born American, he did (short form), she and every democrat (and for that matter every reasonable person) in the country accepted it and desisted.
It's all the morons, crackpots and hecklers, none of which have any party affiliation other than republican (tea or otherwise) that kept demanding more proof and casting aspersions after obie had been accepted by his bitterest rivals and vetted by the SCOTUS that are a problem.

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes, it was, she demanded he prove he was a native born American, he did (short form), she and every democrat (and for that matter every reasonable person) in the country accepted it and desisted.
It's all the morons, crackpots and hecklers, none of which have any party affiliation other than republican (tea or otherwise) that kept demanding more proof and casting aspersions after obie had been accepted by his bitterest rivals and vetted by the SCOTUS that are a problem.

As I see it, the birthers are primarily Libertarians and independents. The usual conspiracy theory nutters.

No major Republican even asked him to prove his citizenship. The fact remains that Hillary Clinton did. The birther movement is a crackpot movement, and even folks like Ann Coulter, MIchael Savage, Bil O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity said it was a non-issue. No Republican Senator, Representative or other major GOP figure made it an issue at all.

[kiki5711]

No major Republican even asked him to prove his citizenship.

Well, they certainly didn't try to stop it until it started to make them look like idiots. They thought they could let it "ride the wave" to see if any damage sticks, but it backfired.

[Coito ergo sum]

No major Republican even asked him to prove his citizenship.

Well, they certainly didn't try to stop it until it started to make them look like idiots. They thought they could let it "ride the wave" to see if any damage sticks, but it backfired.

LOL - "try to stop it?" Other than say, "we think it's a non-issue" and "the guy was born in Hawaii" - what would you have them do?

How would one "stop it?" They did just as much as Hillary and anyone else did to "stop it."

And, what's backfired about it? Trump got a boost from the release of the birth certificate. Most people - even those who didn't think there was any issue there - were like "why doesn't he just release the damn birth certificate?" Right? And, after Trump started lipping off, the people were impressed with Trumps ability to get that result - far from embarrassing him, Trump was the guy who "finally got the President to release the damn birth certificate."

[kiki5711]

And, what's backfired about it?

Isn't that pretty obvious? By not shutting him up, as in, speaking out on national tv that "we should stop" starring at this "wreck" and move on with the traffic, by NOT speaking out to "shut up Donald Ducckie", they allow it to fester, thinking it might do some "logical and real" damage. But, what I see happening is the damage is to them, not to Obama.

here: good article!

Donald Trump Has Revealed the Truth About the Republican Party
Posted: 04/28/11 11:04 PM ET

Since the election of Barack Obama, the Republican Party has proved that one of its central intellectual arguments was right all along. They have long claimed that evolution is a myth believed in only by whiny liberals -- and it turns out they were onto something. Every six months, the Republican Party venerates a new hero, and each time it is somebody further back on the evolutionary scale.

Sarah Palin told cheering rallies that her message to the world was: "We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way!" -- but that wasn't enough. So they found Michele Bachmann, who said darkly it was an "interesting coincidence" that swine flu only breaks out under Democratic presidents, claims the message of The Lion King is "I'm better at what I do because I'm gay," and argues "there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows carbon dioxide is a harmful gas."

That wasn't enough. I half-expected the next contender to be a lung-fish draped in the Stars and Stripes. But it wasn't anything so sophisticated. Enter stage (far) right Donald Trump, the bewigged billionaire who has filled America with phallic symbols and plastered his name across more surfaces than the average Central Asian dictator. A survey suggests he is the most popular candidate among Republican voters. It's not hard to see why.

Trump is every trend in Republican politics over the past thirty-five years taken to its logical conclusion. He is the Republican id, finally entirely unleashed from all restraint and all reality.

The first trend is towards naked imperialism. On Libya, he says: "I would go in and take the oil... I would take the oil and stop this baby stuff." On Iraq, he says: "We stay there, and we take the oil... In the old days, when you have a war and you win, that nation's yours." It is a view that the world is essentially America's property, inconveniently inhabited by foreigners squatting over oil-fields. Trump says America needs to "stop what's going on in the world. The world is just destroying our country. These other countries are sapping our strength." The U.S. must have full spectrum dominance. In this respect, he is simply an honest George W. Bush.

The second trend is towards dog-whistle prejudice -- pitched just high enough for frightened white Republicans to hear it. Trump made it a central issue to suggest Obama wasn't born in America (and therefore was occupying the White House illegally) -- even though this conspiracy theory had long since been proven to be as credible as the people who claim Paul McCartney was killed in 1969 and replaced with an imposter. Trump said nobody "ever comes forward" to say they knew Obama as a child in Hawaii. When lots of people pointed out they knew Obama as a child, Trump ridiculed the idea they could remember that far back. Then he said he'd "heard" the birth certificate said Obama was Muslim. When it was released saying no such thing, Trump said: "I'm very proud of myself."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-ha ... 55278.html

[Coito ergo sum]

And, what's backfired about it?

Isn't that pretty obvious? By not shutting him up, as in, speaking out on national tv that "we should stop" starring at this "wreck" and move on with the traffic, by NOT speaking out to "shut up Ducckie", they allow it to fester, thinking it might do some "logical and real" damage. But, what I see happening is the damage is to them, not to Obama.

The electorate isn't blaming the Republicans for it, though.

They can't "shut him up." Can they? What would you have him do, other than state clearly that they don't think it's an issue, they believe he's a citizen, etc. - which is exactly what they did...

Why do you think the Republicans had the power to "shut him up" but not the Democrats?

[kiki5711]

They can't "shut him up

I don't know if anyone can shut "Donald Duckie".....he's just so full of himself it hurts my eyes to watch him.