Superman to Renounce U.S. Citizenship!

[Coito ergo sum]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/2 ... tizenship/

If he does that, however, he'll need a visa anywhere he goes, and before he solves or prevents any crimes, he'll need work permits. This all will get quite complicated. Does Superman know what he's doing? All the semi-clad lasses lashed to train tracks that will go unsaved while he waits at a Consulate getting a background check...

[Coito ergo sum]

And, apparently, he's gay.




...explains the tights...

[Ironclad]

I have worn my undercrackers over my jeans and never once felt homosexual. I did look queer though I guess.

[Atheist-Lite]

That's what happens when he leaves his glasses on in his Superman incarnation.

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[.Morticia.]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/04/2 ... tizenship/

If he does that, however, he'll need a visa anywhere he goes, and before he solves or prevents any crimes, he'll need work permits. This all will get quite complicated. Does Superman know what he's doing? All the semi-clad lasses lashed to train tracks that will go unsaved while he waits at a Consulate getting a background check...

not necessarily

he could get a United Nations laissez-passer

[Coito ergo sum]

The UN laissez-passer is only available for certain UN personnel, and only on official UN mission business. And, it doesn't replace a visa in most countries. Most countries require a visa anyway, with the laissez-passer operating as a travel document. And, the laissez-passer wouldn't allow him to engage in non UN business while in a particular country - so, if the UN sent him to London to stop the London Bridge from falling down, he would not be able to help any other damsels in distress on the way....

[.Morticia.]

The UN laissez-passer is only available for certain UN personnel, and only on official UN mission business. And, it doesn't replace a visa in most countries. Most countries require a visa anyway, with the laissez-passer operating as a travel document. And, the laissez-passer wouldn't allow him to engage in non UN business while in a particular country - so, if the UN sent him to London to stop the London Bridge from falling down, he would not be able to help any other damsels in distress on the way....

the laissez-passer isn't necessarily a diplomatic visa



Superman is an alien from a war ravaged planet

he could get refugee status

further, most countries have visa waiver programs for short term business

[Coito ergo sum]

The UN laissez-passer is only available for certain UN personnel, and only on official UN mission business. And, it doesn't replace a visa in most countries. Most countries require a visa anyway, with the laissez-passer operating as a travel document. And, the laissez-passer wouldn't allow him to engage in non UN business while in a particular country - so, if the UN sent him to London to stop the London Bridge from falling down, he would not be able to help any other damsels in distress on the way....

the laissez-passer isn't necessarily a diplomatic visa

It's not a visa at all.

Only a four or five countries allow a laissez-passer holder to enter without a visa. All others must apply for and receive a visa. It's just a travel document, and whether a person also has diplomatic status is an entirely different matter.

Superman is an alien from a war ravaged planet

he could get refugee status

Refugee status where? The UN doesn't grant refugee status. Refugee status is granted by countries. He already has US Citizenship. Is he a refugee from the US?

By giving up his US citizenship he would become stateless.

further, most countries have visa waiver programs for short term business

Not most. The visa waiver program only applies between certain countries and doesn't include employment or "work" in the country. You can only use the visa waiver program to either visit, or be a business visitor (like for business meetings or conferences). If you do "work" in a country you need a work visa.

[.Morticia.]

he's a refugee from Krypton

( but it all begs the question, how did he get US citizenship? By being adopted by the Kents? Was that ever formalised? )

and like many war refugess or political asylum seekers, entered the US sans papiers

anyway, that's why the UN can grant him a laissez-passer

and business meetings are work

they're certainly not play

( this is fun )

[Ian]

But will he still maintain a residence in Metropolis?

An illegal alien brazenly living in America's largest city. Just wait 'til the Minutemen get a load of this. They'll be branching out of Arizona and starting a New York chapter.

[Coito ergo sum]

he's a refugee from Krypton

technically no - if he ever qualified as a refugee, that status was removed when he became a citizen. No citizens hold refugee status.

( but it all begs the question, how did he get US citizenship? By being adopted by the Kents? Was that ever formalised? )

Yes.

and like many war refugess or political asylum seekers, entered the US sans papiers

None of that is relevant, once he became a citizen, unless he committed fraud along the way (and there has been no allegation of fraud).

anyway, that's why the UN can grant him a laissez-passer

They can grant him a laissez passer all they want, but holding a laissez-passer doesn't mean you will be admitted to a particular country. Most countries still require a visa. A laissez-passer is not a visa, and only four or five countries allow laissez-passer holders to enter without a visa.

and business meetings are work
they're certainly not play

( this is fun )

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Immigration law makes the distinction between coming to a country for business purposes like conferences or meetings, and coming to a country to perform "work." It's not the same thing under immigration law. He could come to the country to meet about which damsels of distress to save, but he couldn't save them.

As a business visitor you may: Participate in commercial business transactions which do not involve gainful employment, for example, negotiating contracts or consulting with business associates. Participate in scientific, educational, professional or business conventions, conferences or seminars Conduct independent research, or Appear as a witness in a court trial. That's it. If you want to do more than that, you have to get a work permit.

So, saving damsels in distress would require a work permit.

Even as a US citizen, if he flies over to merry old England to do some superhero-ing, then he would be an illegal alien in the UK. Even though the UK and US are visa waiver countries, he still needs to apply for a travel document and clear customs/immigration. Visa waiver doesn't mean you are free to enter willy nilly. When you fly to England from the US, you need a passport and then you fill out a visa waiver form and they give you a travel document that indicates when you have to leave. As I see it, every time Superman left the US and went to another country, he has been violating their immigration laws....

[Coito ergo sum]

But will he still maintain a residence in Metropolis?

An illegal alien brazenly living in America's largest city. Just wait 'til the Minutemen get a load of this. They'll be branching out of Arizona and starting a New York chapter.

That is the million dollar question. He's free to drop US citizenship, but he can't keep living here. He'd have to maybe get a place down in the Caribbean.

I have a feeling this is just a ploy to avoid US taxation.

[Ian]

As Clark Kent though, he'll still be drawing a salary and paying taxes. Even though he's really an illegal alien using an awesome disguise to make people think he's just a mild-mannered American reporter.

It's insidious. Tom Tancredo will probably have a stroke.

[.Morticia.]

But will he still maintain a residence in Metropolis?

An illegal alien brazenly living in America's largest city. Just wait 'til the Minutemen get a load of this. They'll be branching out of Arizona and starting a New York chapter.

he has that nice apartment doesn't he

heaven knows how he can afford it on that wage, it must be at least 4,000 a month

Maybe his main residence is the Fortress of Solitude. Anyone know if it's been affected by Global Climate change?

[Ian]

But will he still maintain a residence in Metropolis?

An illegal alien brazenly living in America's largest city. Just wait 'til the Minutemen get a load of this. They'll be branching out of Arizona and starting a New York chapter.

he has that nice apartment doesn't he

heaven knows how he can afford it on that wage, it must be at least 4,000 a month

Maybe his main residence is the Fortress of Solitude. Anyone know if it's been affected by Global Climate change?

Maybe THAT's the real reason why he's now a "Citizen of the Universe". He's ticked that global warming melted his swingin bachelor pad (don't tell me he doesn't entertain the ladies at that place. It's awesome.).