Arguing with a fundie - resource needed

[Chuck Jones]

I made the claim, from memory that the early Christians debated over the divinity of Jebus - i.e. not all agreed that he was the son of the big fella in the sky. This was something I had recalled from the back of my mind, and I vaguely remember watching a documentary about it.

And fairly the fucker has asked me to support my claim

Google returns mostly apologetics sites and a couple of Wiki articles which do not help.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this subject and point me to references that will show I was not talking out of my ass (which of course I was).

Thanks

Speaking from an entirely impartial standpoint, you're wrong. I can tell even without really reading the whole of your post. You were born wrong, and you'll die wrong. Now say my name.

[AshtonBlack]

I made the claim, from memory that the early Christians debated over the divinity of Jebus - i.e. not all agreed that he was the son of the big fella in the sky. This was something I had recalled from the back of my mind, and I vaguely remember watching a documentary about it.

And fairly the fucker has asked me to support my claim

Google returns mostly apologetics sites and a couple of Wiki articles which do not help.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this subject and point me to references that will show I was not talking out of my ass (which of course I was).

Thanks

Speaking from an entirely impartial standpoint, you're wrong. I can tell even without really reading the whole of your post. You were born wrong, and you'll die wrong. Now say my name.

[maiforpeace]

I made the claim, from memory that the early Christians debated over the divinity of Jebus - i.e. not all agreed that he was the son of the big fella in the sky. This was something I had recalled from the back of my mind, and I vaguely remember watching a documentary about it.

And fairly the fucker has asked me to support my claim

Google returns mostly apologetics sites and a couple of Wiki articles which do not help.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this subject and point me to references that will show I was not talking out of my ass (which of course I was).

Thanks

Speaking from an entirely impartial standpoint, you're wrong. I can tell even without really reading the whole of your post. You were born wrong, and you'll die wrong. Now say my name.

That's Chuck's way of saying he doesn't know. We understand though, he has a big ego to massage.

[Chuck Jones]

You shut up now.

[maiforpeace]

You shut up now.

Did I say anything?

You weren't supposed to hear that.

[.Morticia.]

arians?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

[egbert]

I couldn't come up with anything in Web searching, but then the very existence of Jeebus is contentious because of the dearth of evidence from the period.
Frankly, debating Fundies is a no-win situation. That's why prominent Atheists, such as Dawkins, no longer debate them. An honest person can't win against a cheat.
And Fundies are skilled debaters, using every dirty tactic known to man. Fallacies, evasion, playing dumb, outright lying, misquoting, - you'll encounter them all. The only thing you can hope to gain is an education in the Fundy mindset. (And the same is true for the Atheist Fundies.)
One of the favourite tricks is to send you off on a research project, to refute some BS the Fundy served up, with you scouring the Web, or the Library, for information, while the Fundy sniggers up his sleeve. And, should you succeed in coming up with a refutation, don't worry, there will be some laughable excuse as to why it's not valid.
You can, however, have some fun. I learned this (the hard way) back in the days of HolySmoke, on the Fidonet Network, before the Web.
Just copy every posting the Fundy makes to a file. That way, you can refute the denials and claims of misquotes and "I never said that" lies. But the real fun comes when the file gets big enough. Then, you needn't bother wasting your time composing replies, that are going to be like water on a duck's back anyway.
Just go through your file of the Fundy's postings, and pick a suitable phrase, and cut and paste that as your reply. Quite often, you can sit back and laugh as the Fundy argues with himself!
It works because, to be a good liar, you need a good memory. And the Fundies tell so many whoppers, and engage in so much deception, they can't keep track of it all, and so, don't even recognize their own BS being used against them. Hilarious, educational, and entertaining.

[Rob]

I remember reading a book by... I think the last name was Ebert, a new testament historical scholar. He went into detail over the various factions which heavily debated the divinity of Jesus. I think the book was called Jesus - Interrupted.

[cowiz]

I remember reading a book by... I think the last name was Ebert, a new testament historical scholar. He went into detail over the various factions which heavily debated the divinity of Jesus. I think the book was called Jesus - Interrupted.

Are you thinking of Bart Ehrman?