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Post by Seth » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:04 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
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Jörmungandr wrote:... everyone knows that .50BMG is a heat-seeking armor-piercing explosive tipped bunker busting anti-aircraft murdergun round.
Are you being sarcastic? If so you need to make that clear. I'll await criticism of this statement until I know whether you're being sarcastic or serious.
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I'm being totally serious. John Moses Browning personally designed the .50BMG round as an all purpose round fit both for slaughtering poor starving cancer babies AND for taking out 747s in mid flight with a single heat-seeking nuclear murder bullet. If you don't know that, you just don't know history.
Okay, let's examine those claims: First, the notion of a "heat-seeking nuclear murder bullet" is a novel one. I've never heard of such a thing in .50 BMG. Do you have any citations or references? I suspect you listened to the idiocy of New York Assemblywoman Patricia Eddington, who wouldn't know a RAUFOSS round from her asshole. BTW, the RAUFOSS Mk 211 Mod 0 APEI (Armor piercing, explosive, incendiary) is a restricted Class III "destructive device" and is not available to civilians AT ALL.

I find no reference to a "heat-seeking nuclear murder bullet" round in any military ordinance list for the .50 BMG, although I do find reference to the M1 incendiary "blue tip" anti-aircraft round, which is neither "nuclear" nor "heat-seeking." Unless such a round hit a fuel tank or critical system, it would likely take multiple rounds to bring down a 747.

Second, the .50 BMG does come in several different varieties of projectile, including AP, APT, APIT, SLAP, and RAUFOSS. The AP varieties can penetrate both armor plate up to 1 inch for plain steel and 0.9 inches of face-hardened (AR) plate steel. But the round cannot "bust bunkers," meaning that while certain projectiles can penetrate structures made of common concrete block and standard 8" unreinforced concrete walls, penetrating "bunkers" built of reinforced concrete 2 feet thick or more requires hundreds of rounds.
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Post by Seth » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:05 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Problem is it's neither free nor easy. Firearms are the single most regulated consumer product in the United States.
I get your point, but I'm fairly sure that pharmaceuticals are more closely regulated.
Nope. Do you have to go through a national instant background check to get your Percodan prescription?
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Post by Wumbologist » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:42 pm

Seth wrote:Unless such a round hit a fuel tank or critical system, it would likely take multiple rounds to bring down a 747.
Well, tell that to John Moses Browning, who specifically designed the cartridge in the 1910's for taking down Boeing 747s.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:59 pm

Seth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Problem is it's neither free nor easy. Firearms are the single most regulated consumer product in the United States.
I get your point, but I'm fairly sure that pharmaceuticals are more closely regulated.
Nope. Do you have to go through a national instant background check to get your Percodan prescription?
There are a bunch of formerly over-the-counter drugs that I have to go to the pharmacist now, and show my drivers license and get put into a network that keeps track of my purchases of those items so that I can be investigated if I buy too much where the DEA thinks I might be making meth-amphetamines.

I also need a prescription from a physician in the first place for Percodan or Percocet and that has to be delivered to a pharmacist.

And, the manufacturers of these drugs are subject to licensing, and all the drugs marketed are subject to federal and state level regulation. All the drugs require prior approval of the federal government to be marketed in the US in the first place.

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Post by laklak » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:53 pm

Jörmungandr wrote:
Seth wrote:Unless such a round hit a fuel tank or critical system, it would likely take multiple rounds to bring down a 747.
Well, tell that to John Moses Browning, who specifically designed the cartridge in the 1910's for taking down Boeing 747s.
I think he also designed the BFG, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:19 pm

Seth wrote:Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind! :bored:

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really. :coffee:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:26 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Seth wrote:Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind! :bored:

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really. :coffee:
Classic case of proving that when guns are illegal, only criminals have them
That would seem to be a tautology.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:50 pm

yeah, but I felt like saying it.
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Post by Seth » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:59 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Seth wrote:Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind! :bored:

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really. :coffee:
Classic case of proving that when guns are illegal, only criminals have them
That would seem to be a tautology.
What's tautological about it? It would seem to be a statement of obvious fact to me.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:17 pm

Seth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Seth wrote:Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind! :bored:

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really. :coffee:
Classic case of proving that when guns are illegal, only criminals have them
That would seem to be a tautology.
What's tautological about it? It would seem to be a statement of obvious fact to me.
Everything is tautological about it. If beer is illegal, only criminals will drink beer. If you do something illegal, you're a criminal. It's like saying "if beer is illegal, it's illegal."

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Post by Seth » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:00 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Seth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Seth wrote:Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind! :bored:

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really. :coffee:
Classic case of proving that when guns are illegal, only criminals have them
That would seem to be a tautology.
What's tautological about it? It would seem to be a statement of obvious fact to me.
Everything is tautological about it. If beer is illegal, only criminals will drink beer. If you do something illegal, you're a criminal. It's like saying "if beer is illegal, it's illegal."
It's saying that criminals don't obey laws, which is an objective truth. Yes, if you do something illegal, you're a criminal, but that's not tautological, its observational and definitional.

Of course, the saying has implications beyond the statement of fact itself, which we all know is the argument that gun laws don't prevent criminals from misusing guns.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:40 pm

Seth wrote: It's saying that criminals don't obey laws, which is an objective truth. Yes, if you do something illegal, you're a criminal, but that's not tautological, its observational and definitional.

Of course, the saying has implications beyond the statement of fact itself, which we all know is the argument that gun laws don't prevent criminals from misusing guns.
That's because if they obeyed all the laws, they wouldn't be criminals.

The point is that OF COURSE if guns are illegal only criminals will have guns - that's because in that event EVERYONE who has a gun would be, by definition, a criminal.

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Post by Seth » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:52 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Seth wrote: It's saying that criminals don't obey laws, which is an objective truth. Yes, if you do something illegal, you're a criminal, but that's not tautological, its observational and definitional.

Of course, the saying has implications beyond the statement of fact itself, which we all know is the argument that gun laws don't prevent criminals from misusing guns.
That's because if they obeyed all the laws, they wouldn't be criminals.

The point is that OF COURSE if guns are illegal only criminals will have guns - that's because in that event EVERYONE who has a gun would be, by definition, a criminal.
No, that's not the point. The point is that gun laws, which are intended to divest or at least control access to guns by criminals don't achieve that purpose, they serve only to either deny guns to law-abiding citizens, who refuse to break even an unjust law, or they make malum prohibitum criminals of otherwise honest and law-abiding citizens. Criminals, which is to say those with the tendency to ignore laws that interfere with their exercises of individual liberty, are not affected in the slightest by anti-gun laws.
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