Obama’s hidden agenda for the Libyan war

[sandinista]

while the US and NATO are busy in war crimes in Afghanistan, they attack Libya to punish Qaddafi for human rights violations! For us, this is like a real joke when we see the US government whole-heartedly supporting many much dirtier Qaddafi’s in my country.

Malalai Joya

http://www.afghanwomensmission.org/?p=1201

[egbert]

Make no mistake, Obama is a constitutional scholar and knew exactly what he was doing.
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Because his goal is not to liberate Libya, it’s to test the resolve of the the Congress and the People to see if we have abandoned our fundamental principles and the rule of law. What Obama is hoping is that the Congress has finally become impotent and irrelevant and will not dare to oppose him or repudiate his high crimes, and he believes that the time is right to advance his “fundamental transformation” of the United States into a vassal state of One World Government under the aegis of the United Nations and World Socialism.

And you know all this by the ability to read Obama's mind?

Oh, wait, you're just regurgitating Beck/Limbaugh right wing conspiracy theories?
Ever thought of taking up standup comedy?

[egbert]

After encouraging the youth of the Middle East to rise up in rebellion against brutal dictators and helping to set the Middle East aflame with his rhetoric and his sub-rosa machinations to foment unrest, Obama

That's right - the middle east unrest was "fomented" by Obama speeches. It had NOTHING to do with Egyptians being fed up with THIS:

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

You provide a valuable lesson. Your inane posting shows the depths of deceit to which right wingers are willing to go, the distortions of truth that would make Goebbels proud.

[FBM]

Might want to spoiler that, dude. Doesn't bother me, but others might not appreciate it much.

[egbert]

Strange that I always thought the only legal war was in self defence or authorised by the United Nations, no individual country gets to decide if a war is legal or not

That's because you're a delusional dupe of George Soros and the New World Order.

Gawd yes - far better to be a dupe of Rush Limbaugh, or Glen Beck, or Ann Coulter or the Bush crime family....

[JimC]

Might want to spoiler that, dude. Doesn't bother me, but others might not appreciate it much.

Spoilered the said post...

[Seth]

After encouraging the youth of the Middle East to rise up in rebellion against brutal dictators and helping to set the Middle East aflame with his rhetoric and his sub-rosa machinations to foment unrest, Obama

That's right - the middle east unrest was "fomented" by Obama speeches. It had NOTHING to do with Egyptians being fed up with THIS:

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

You provide a valuable lesson. Your inane posting shows the depths of deceit to which right wingers are willing to go, the distortions of truth that would make Goebbels proud.

Oh, you're right, it has everything to do with totalitarian abuses in the Middle East. The question is, of course, whether the totalitarian abuses that will take place AFTER Obama and the Marxist left are done cooperating with the Islamic fundamentalists are going to be worse.

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

Put in an OTT way, but certainly some truth here. All through the uprisings in the Arab world, the rebels seem to be an uneasy coalition of progressive forces and muslim groups. At least in Egypt, the question of who gets to dominate will involve the ballot box.

In other places, it will probably involve the AK 47...

[Seth]

Seth wrote:

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

Put in an OTT way, but certainly some truth here. All through the uprisings in the Arab world, the rebels seem to be an uneasy coalition of progressive forces and muslim groups. At least in Egypt, the question of who gets to dominate will involve the ballot box.

Thanks, in large part, to the United States' training of the military and our inculcation of their military with the values of individual liberty and obedience of the military to civil authority that has prevented Egypt from instantaneously becoming yet another military dictatorship.

In other places, it will probably involve the AK 47...

Or stones and whips...

[sandinista]

Seth wrote:

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

Put in an OTT way, but certainly some truth here. All through the uprisings in the Arab world, the rebels seem to be an uneasy coalition of progressive forces and muslim groups. At least in Egypt, the question of who gets to dominate will involve the ballot box.

The absolutely hilarious thing about that is that the same thing can be said about corporations and western governments. They will collude with anyone if the price is right without any regard to the unintended consequences. In fact, delusional capitalists are far more likely to collude with with torturers, murderers, and all other undesirables than any so-called socialist. The capitalists will gets theirs soon enough though.

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

Put in an OTT way, but certainly some truth here. All through the uprisings in the Arab world, the rebels seem to be an uneasy coalition of progressive forces and muslim groups. At least in Egypt, the question of who gets to dominate will involve the ballot box.

The absolutely hilarious thing about that is that the same thing can be said about corporations and western governments. They will collude with anyone if the price is right without any regard to the unintended consequences. In fact, delusional capitalists are far more likely to collude with with torturers, murderers, and all other undesirables than any so-called socialist. The capitalists will gets theirs soon enough though.

I wasn't making an ideological point here at all, simply observing that the various uprisings in Arab countries include groups with very different motivations for overthrowing current governments. When and if that is done, any semblance of unity will evaporate, and another struggle will begin. Obviously, one hopes that the muslim fundamentalists get put back in their box, but who knows...

As for the capitalists "getting theirs" anytime soon (assuming you mean a full-blown Marxist revolution), dream on...

Pretty much as unlikely as Seth's dream of a libertarian take-over...

[sandinista]

Seth wrote:

The problem with the socialist left is that it will collude with anyone in it's quest to foment revolution, without much regard to the unintended consequences of becoming the ally of Islamic religious fundamentalists who are happy to have the help of delusional Marxists in overthrowing the status quo so that they can implement the world Caliphate and hasten the return of the Mahdi by washing the world in blood. The Marxists will get theirs soon enough.

Put in an OTT way, but certainly some truth here. All through the uprisings in the Arab world, the rebels seem to be an uneasy coalition of progressive forces and muslim groups. At least in Egypt, the question of who gets to dominate will involve the ballot box.

The absolutely hilarious thing about that is that the same thing can be said about corporations and western governments. They will collude with anyone if the price is right without any regard to the unintended consequences. In fact, delusional capitalists are far more likely to collude with with torturers, murderers, and all other undesirables than any so-called socialist. The capitalists will gets theirs soon enough though.

I wasn't making an ideological point here at all, simply observing that the various uprisings in Arab countries include groups with very different motivations for overthrowing current governments. When and if that is done, any semblance of unity will evaporate, and another struggle will begin. Obviously, one hopes that the muslim fundamentalists get put back in their box, but who knows...

As for the capitalists "getting theirs" anytime soon (assuming you mean a full-blown Marxist revolution), dream on...

Pretty much as unlikely as Seth's dream of a libertarian take-over...

hey there JimC, don't get your panties in a knot, my response was directed at seth more than you. BTW, If you think capitalism is the end of history, your the one who can dream on.

[Robert_S]

I'm not particularly worried about the constitutionality of what's going on as long as none of our troops march on the ground and nothing is done that cannot be directly justified by protecting civilians and that the US backs out of the whole thing quickly.

IIRC, Afghanistan got religious nuts running the place because of anti-communist US actions, while Iran ended up with them because they were sick of a Western-supported tyrant.