Hippie stunned that laws aren't just for other people.

[Seth]

My sister and her husband lived in Berkeley for ten years while she was at Cal.
She said there's nothing like living in the Bay Area for making a self-identifying liberal take a hard turn to the right.

I imagine it's attitudes like the one here that make her say that.

Why doesn't she just give the food away, and take the charitable deduction? She's clearly not making a profit.

Because, by their very nature, liberals are flatly delusional and insane and cannot separate reality from fantasy. She wants to have her cake and eat it too, like every liberal.

[Svartalf]

Those shower permits are costly.

it's the Ekologikal Despotate of Kalifornistan, taking a shower is Conspiration to commit a crime Against Our Mother Earth there.

[Gonzo]

What I'm shocked by is that something like this is made an issue at all when we live in a world where a giant global conglomerate like General Electric does not only pay no taxes at all, but makes over 3 million dollars off the real tax payers as a tax credit.

Put a "B" instead of an "M" in front of that.

Okay, I fixed it, but I have to ask what the hell they're "b"aking to make "b"illions of dollars.

[sandinista]

What the fuck? Hippies are supposed to be exempted?

Well they're already exempted from personal hygiene...

I didn't know we still had hippies! Thought they were replaced by "Street People" - you know, the seniors and war vets who "fell through the cracks"

haha, there are some on this board.

[Gonzo]

My sister and her husband lived in Berkeley for ten years while she was at Cal.
She said there's nothing like living in the Bay Area for making a self-identifying liberal take a hard turn to the right.

I imagine it's attitudes like the one here that make her say that.

Why doesn't she just give the food away, and take the charitable deduction? She's clearly not making a profit.

Because, by their very nature, liberals are flatly delusional and insane and cannot separate reality from fantasy. She wants to have her cake and eat it too, like every liberal.

That's a pretty broad generalization. The woman in question sounds absolutely juvenile in her own political ideas, just as anyone who would take 'a hard turn to the right' based on the actions of others would have to be. Indeed she was infringing on another's right of private property and breaking laws, but her action speaks for itself. Beyond that I wouldn't consider the Republicans (either the authoritarian conservative politicians or the libertarian conservative tea partiers) quite exactly the party of 'law and order' as they'll break laws whenever they see fit to do so just as well (whether to pass legislation against the will of the people or break regulations that serve a progressive agenda).

So I don't have a problem with these laws or regulations, but it's quite trivial in the larger scheme of things. And yes, I agree, this is the result of bureacracy and there needs to be some changes concerning who the law is applied to - not an abolishment of food regulations - those surely serve a purpose for the greater good. Again, the greatest offenders are not the individual - it's the corporations and their lobbyists. For example, not having to label what country the food you are eating comes from.

[Gallstones]

Yo man, you just don't get it. You're just too uptight to get into the groove of grassroots feeding of the people. Hey man, don't be like the Man, be cool. Don't be such a downer dude.

[Gonzo]

Is local food production really that laughable? I'd beg to differ that most food in the super market is worse for your health than anything you could get straight off of the farm, with or without the FDA.

[maiforpeace]

She's clearly not making a profit.

Exactly, so why can't she just sell it out the back door?

Farmers in rural areas do it all the time. They have some chickens, they sell a few eggs out the back door. Farmworkers here in Watsonville clean up the rejected produce after a corporate harvest and sell it on the street. She spends 25 hours a week working there, and earns $2500 a year? Before expenses? That's not a business, that's a labor of love. Frankly, I think the city is making a bigger deal out of it than it needs to be.

CES, I can't believe you would whine and cry about this one little gardener in Oakland.

I take that back, I can believe it.

[sandinista]

CES, I can't believe you would whine and cry about this one little gardener in Oakland.

I take that back, I can believe it.

coming from the same guy who thinks corporations can do no harm. Some way out of whack priorities there.

[Feck]

Interesting take on the story I see you mock her CES ,unlike the outrage you would show if she was selling lemonade (remember that thread, the one where you proved basic maths is beyond you ) .Feel free to demonstrate your double standards while berating others . Is it because she was growing food ,probably without the addition of chemicals sold by the FDA (oops sorry Monsanto ) or you think that $2,000 a year is less than you pay to have your shirts starched ? Normally in any thread you bring up tax or regulation you scream and yell about big government so tell us why so keen to label her as a dirty hippy ?

[sandinista]

Such a hostile reaction to something so minor. Honestly, 'a selfish bitch'?

I was being ironical. That should have been evident from the tone. Being called selfish, etc., is what business people get called by many on the left. Shouldn't this woman "pay her fair share?" After all, she's running a business - she's one of "the corporations" now...

That has to be one of the dumbest quotes I've read on this forum. She's a corporation. Yah...holy shit man

[PsychoSerenity]

I've often wondered - what laws might I accidentally break simply by not being aware of them? - Because nobody's ever directly taught me anything about any laws. I just go about assuming I'm doing the right thing. And I know law in general tends to be pretty complicated or it wouldn't take so many years to become a lawyer. Also, I never signed any contract to agree to any laws in the first place - ok I understand that's not really necessary since I've got little choice but to live in the society I grew up in - but they could at least do me the courtesy of telling me what laws I'm supposed to abide by.

[Seth]

I've often wondered - what laws might I accidentally break simply by not being aware of them? - Because nobody's ever directly taught me anything about any laws. I just go about assuming I'm doing the right thing. And I know law in general tends to be pretty complicated or it wouldn't take so many years to become a lawyer. Also, I never signed any contract to agree to any laws in the first place - ok I understand that's not really necessary since I've got little choice but to live in the society I grew up in - but they could at least do me the courtesy of telling me what laws I'm supposed to abide by.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Factually however, nobody anywhere can go through a single day ever without breaking some law. There's just too many of them to begin to keep track of. Which is why civil control of the police and courts is so vitally important to individual liberty. We control how rigorously the laws are enforced by closing the purse strings and denying the government the money with which to hire enforcers.

[Coito ergo sum]

Is local food production really that laughable?

No, it's not the production that's laughable, it's the fact that somebody thinks they can just open up a farm in the middle of an urban area and not think that the same laws that apply to other people who sell stuff applies to them too. It's the fact that they would be "stunned" by that because farming is a human endeavor that has been going on for millenia. I am quite certain that these folks would not be "stunned" that Mr. Heinz or Mr. Boiardi or Mr. Kellogg were asked to pay fees and obtain permits and be subjected to inspections when they sold food.

I'd beg to differ that most food in the super market is worse for your health than anything you could get straight off of the farm, with or without the FDA.

Most food in the supermarket is fine. And, getting stuff straight from a farm doesn't necessarily make it better. The FDA has done approximately nothing to improve safety when it comes to food, and certainly nothing when it comes to improving quality. The FDA does a fair job when it comes to pharmaceuticals and medical devices, fair.

[Gonzo]

I've often wondered - what laws might I accidentally break simply by not being aware of them? - Because nobody's ever directly taught me anything about any laws. I just go about assuming I'm doing the right thing. And I know law in general tends to be pretty complicated or it wouldn't take so many years to become a lawyer. Also, I never signed any contract to agree to any laws in the first place - ok I understand that's not really necessary since I've got little choice but to live in the society I grew up in - but they could at least do me the courtesy of telling me what laws I'm supposed to abide by.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Factually however, nobody anywhere can go through a single day ever without breaking some law. There's just too many of them to begin to keep track of. Which is why civil control of the police and courts is so vitally important to individual liberty. We control how rigorously the laws are enforced by closing the purse strings and denying the government the money with which to hire enforcers.

Well, if we had an actual representative democracy (that is, in America) instead of a Congress half-full (or is it half-empty) of millionaires bought out by corporate interests. Time to take the power back from the filthy rich.