ElfQuest Mafia - Game Thread

[praying]

vote bolero


it is not me, and sorry for bailing last night, family emergency

[praying]

wahhh raven let my vote count we were cros posting

[oblivion]

No, I'm sorry it won't. Nightfall was actually over 30 minutes earlier -- I overslept.

[oblivion]

It seems that each night suspicions and recriminations have reached a height that could never be exceeded. Tonight is no different. You snarl and snap at one another before agreeing that this night praying is the most suspicious of all. And then you pull her down, knives flashing.

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Praying was Strongbow, the silent hunter and protector, and was vanila Wolfrider

Night actions are due in just over 10 hours.

[praying]

No, I'm sorry it won't. Nightfall was actually over 30 minutes earlier -- I overslept.

you are a meanie! with a heart of gold but a mafia meanie all the same.

[praying]

<zombie talk removed>

:colbert:


- oblivion

[divagreen]

gawddammit!

I hate when I have the final vote and I am wrong. We are getting our asses kicked here. Will you guys please help?

[Feck]

gawddammit!

I hate when I have the final vote and I am wrong. We are getting our asses kicked here. Will you guys please help?

I was helping .

[divagreen]

gawddammit!

I hate when I have the final vote and I am wrong. We are getting our asses kicked here. Will you guys please help?

I was helping .

All you did was pop in and vote for me. No reason, no rationale, just "oh she is scummy". That isn't helping. That is erroneously clinging to an irrational bias that may cost us the game. We have six players left, one town will die tonight, it will probably be either you, since you are mayor or UT since he is seer. Bolero is making noises about not being around for the weekend (can she proxy her votes for the weekend, I wonder?) and requesting to be gawd-killed. So the worst case scenario is that town will be down to four.

So far Charlou seems most town to me...she is really working hard with her research and insight. I should have just trusted her with the Bolero vote. (Sorry Charlou.) Linus has been helping as well, by going through the threads and helping piece things together. You, on the other hand, are just coasting along, not offering a whole lot, while remaining active on other parts of the site.

So while you may think that you were helping out yesterday, you really weren't. So please if you are town, help us out and lets catch this fucker.

[Feck]

I didn't just pop and vote you, I also warned several times against the wifom and unnecessary complications that were surfacing .

[divagreen]

Feck, I don't even know what you mean by wiform. What does that mean? Is that like red herring interference?

[Feck]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... ront_Of_Me

[divagreen]

So you don't think that it is recruit, but a straight up SK? (Re-reading your posts in this thread.) I do too, but I think we have to run the possibility that they would be viewed as an elf, dontcha think?

The SK kills were done by an elven blade.

[Feck]

I think we lynch the uncleared people first rather than Trying to find reasons to FOS cleared players especially ones with roles .If we run out of uncleared players Then we have to start with the what if's and maybes . End game is the wrong time to start suspecting our Seer has been recruited and other such fanciful notions when we have no evidence of ANY recruitment or ANY other scum faction .

[divagreen]

Thank you for the link! I wish I would have just straight out asked for it earlier.

From Feck's link:

WIFOM is arguably the most misapplied term in the Mafia lexicon, and for years the standard approach to has been to throw out any ambiguous evidence. This is not optimal, as WIFOM situations are generally not purely random. However, WIFOM arises precisely because someone is difficult to read, and the possibility of being wrong is inherent in making a choice.Isn't that what the game is about...Many times analyzing night kills is considered WIFOM, as only the killers can say with certainty why someone died. This is especially true when the kill choices were unexpected. At present, NK analysis is considered simply another possibly-reliable piece of evidence, neither useless nor authoritative.

My green. Interesting read...because the information-dense link that you have provided has examples within in it that both supports and contradicts the whatever it is that you are trying to say. Could you please be more specific?

This explains MSG a lot:

There is a claimed, proven cop and a hidden doctor and mafia. The mafia knows there is a doctor in the game.
As the doctor, who should you protect?
As the mafia, who should you kill?
Concept: The Mafia knows that there is a Doctor, and the Doctor's best play is to protect the Cop no matter what, so they should not try to kill the Cop. BUT the Doctor knows this too, and can protect someone other than the Cop in order to have a chance at stopping the night-kill. But the Mafia knows that the Doctor has this option, and they may be able to kill the Cop if the Doctor thinks that they aren't going to try it. But the Doctor knows... etc.
Caveat: If the Cop dies, nobody will believe a Doctor claim because you weren't protecting the confirmed Cop when it mattered.
However, if there are no more players in the game, if the mafia gets a kill this night, it is game over - if he kills the doc it's a mafia win, if he kills the cop it's just a draw. If the mafia fails to kill, and it is completely unknown to the cop if the last mafia is a godfather or not (he isn't), then the cop has some chance of finding out who it is, and a chance to come back to the same situation as before for one night (and give the mafia one more chance at winning). Depending on how you weight wins draws and losses, this situation could be completely balanced for both the doc and the mafia.
Without the godfather dilema, the situation is not balanced for the doc, but it is still WIFOM.

So when you say wifom, what do you mean by that and how exactly is it helpful to ignore it?