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by FBM » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:20 pm
Utah designates Browning M1911 official state firearm
Utah has become the first US state to designate an official state firearm.
The Browning M1911 joins the state fossil (allosaurus), fruit (cherry), gem (topaz), bird (sea gull) and other symbols with official designation.
The gun was designed by Utah native John Browning. The law's sponsor said it symbolised freedom and empowerment.
Opponents said it was inappropriate to glorify a firearm, citing the January mass shooting at a congresswoman's constituent event in nearby Arizona.
The .45-calibre semi-automatic pistol was designed by Browning, who was born in Utah in 1855, to fill the US military's need for a pistol with stopping power - the ability to fell an enemy with a single shot.
It was adopted by the US Army in 1911, and first saw action in combat with Mexican rebel leader Pancho Villa in 1916, according to the Browning Arms Company. It was later used in World War I and beyond.
Democratic Utah State Representative Brian King opposed the bill.
"When we are talking about a state symbol we would do well to come up with one that is more unifying than divisive and this is a very divisive symbol for obvious reasons," he told Reuters. "This is just a poor choice for a state symbol."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12792633
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:25 pm
Makes a great hammer.
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by FBM » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:28 pm
Makes a great hammer do what?
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:30 pm
FBM wrote:Makes a great hammer do what?
I'll take a good 9mm any day, even if it's made in Guangzhou.
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by FBM » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:34 pm
Gawdzilla wrote:FBM wrote:Makes a great hammer do what?
I'll take a good 9mm any day, even if it's made in Guangzhou.
Agreed. I've got both, and I just don't see the appeal of a .45. I can keep a pretty tight grouping with a 9mm, but it takes twice as long to do so with the .45.
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by Bella Fortuna » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:35 pm
Maybe they'll pick an official state chemical weapon next.
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by Gallstones » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:36 pm
I love this, an official state firearm.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:39 pm
FBM wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:FBM wrote:Makes a great hammer do what?
I'll take a good 9mm any day, even if it's made in Guangzhou.
Agreed. I've got both, and I just don't see the appeal of a .45. I can keep a pretty tight grouping with a 9mm, but it takes twice as long to do so with the .45.
The guy that taught me to shoot let me fire his .45 when I asked. He picked me up after. I was fourteen at the time.
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by FBM » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:43 pm
Bella Fortuna wrote:Maybe they'll pick an official state chemical weapon next.
Maybe they should adopt stop-gap state chemical and biological weapons until their legislature can be re-convened. And a stop-gap state "interrogation method", too.
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by Feck » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:43 pm
I thought 45's made bigger holes and imparted more energy to target ?
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by FBM » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:50 pm
Feck wrote:I thought 45's made bigger holes and imparted more energy to target ?
Only when the round actually hits the target, tho. The 9mm is more accurate and the reduced recoil means you can put more shots on-target faster. The .45 has a much shorter effective range than the 9mm, too.
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by Seth » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:51 pm
FBM wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:FBM wrote:Makes a great hammer do what?
I'll take a good 9mm any day, even if it's made in Guangzhou.
Agreed. I've got both, and I just don't see the appeal of a .45. I can keep a pretty tight grouping with a 9mm, but it takes twice as long to do so with the .45.
If you do it right, you don't need a group with a .45, the first round will finish the job.
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by Feck » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:52 pm
FBM wrote:Feck wrote:I thought 45's made bigger holes and imparted more energy to target ?
Only when the round actually hits the target, tho. The 9mm is more accurate and the reduced recoil means you can put more shots on-target faster. The .45 has a much shorter effective range than the 9mm, too.
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I couldn't 'more shot's on target ' I'm fucking useless with a pistol
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:52 pm
FBM wrote:Feck wrote:I thought 45's made bigger holes and imparted more energy to target ?
Only when the round actually hits the target, tho. The 9mm is more accurate and the reduced recoil means you can put more shots on-target faster. The .45 has a much shorter effective range than the 9mm, too.
The .45 is slower, so it has to use brute force to do damage. I can shoot both your eyes out with a 9mm from 100 yards. That will do the job for most people.
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by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:53 pm
Seth wrote:FBM wrote:Gawdzilla wrote:FBM wrote:Makes a great hammer do what?
I'll take a good 9mm any day, even if it's made in Guangzhou.
Agreed. I've got both, and I just don't see the appeal of a .45. I can keep a pretty tight grouping with a 9mm, but it takes twice as long to do so with the .45.
If you do it right, you don't need a group with a .45, the first round will finish the job.
Same thing with a .226.
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