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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by JimC » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:59 am

Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:04 am

JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
...keep telling yourself that, I'm sure it makes you feel better Mr. Serious. :console: Again, I'm sure the "serious" white supremacists went on about the "juvenile" civil rights movement as well. Your labeling makes you look the fool.
Our struggle is not against actual corrupt individuals, but against those in power in general, against their authority, against the global order and the ideological mystification which sustains it.

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Robert_S » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:09 am

sandinista wrote:
JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
...keep telling yourself that, I'm sure it makes you feel better Mr. Serious. :console: Again, I'm sure the "serious" white supremacists went on about the "juvenile" civil rights movement as well. Your labeling makes you look the fool.
Whichever way it goes, it will go slowly unless conditions get really bad and opportunities dry up.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:15 am

JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
Whilst serious grown up piggies feed at the trough those young piglets are tugging left & right. Soon enough the trough will be bare and the serious grown up piggies will fight over which of the young piglets are right and can lead them to a new a trough?
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:35 am

Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:
JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
...keep telling yourself that, I'm sure it makes you feel better Mr. Serious. :console: Again, I'm sure the "serious" white supremacists went on about the "juvenile" civil rights movement as well. Your labeling makes you look the fool.
Whichever way it goes, it will go slowly unless conditions get really bad and opportunities dry up.
I pretty much agree. History keeps moving. 50 years, 100 years, it's nothing but a blink of the eye. If you would have told people in 1980 that the Soviet Union wouldn't exist in around 10 years they would call you "juvenile".
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by JimC » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:50 am

sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:
JimC wrote:
Robert_S wrote:37?

It is not a matter of selling out, but about not chasing the unattainable.
Sandinista grasping at the unobtainable and romantic delusion of a marxist uprising in today's USA...

Seth grasping at the same vision from the other side, dreaming pleasantly of his right-wing militias, with their orgasmic firepower, sweeping through the stricken cities, slaughtering evil reds, and saving America for truth and democracy...

Luckily, both are unrealistic juvenilia... ;)

Meanwhile, serious people get on with the job of dealing pragmatically with the world as it is, rather than an idealistic vision...
...keep telling yourself that, I'm sure it makes you feel better Mr. Serious. :console: Again, I'm sure the "serious" white supremacists went on about the "juvenile" civil rights movement as well. Your labeling makes you look the fool.
Whichever way it goes, it will go slowly unless conditions get really bad and opportunities dry up.
I pretty much agree. History keeps moving. 50 years, 100 years, it's nothing but a blink of the eye. If you would have told people in 1980 that the Soviet Union wouldn't exist in around 10 years they would call you "juvenile".
The ending of the Soviet Union was a move towards the centre, I would say...

The day of the political extremes is long over...
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Again, I'm sure the "serious" white supremacists went on about the "juvenile" civil rights movement as well. Your labeling makes you look the fool.
You betray your ignorance of history if you claim that the civil rights movement supports any aspect of an argument for violent revolution. It was a movement of non-violent protest in the main. It was a victory for humanitarianism, for progressive political forces, but not a victory of doctrinaire marxism...
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by FBM » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:58 am

I'd like to see an uprising, but I'd like to see it on a global scale. I don't care much for the direction we've been going in the past few thousand years.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:17 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Children always think they're cool. It never changes.
I never did :think:

JimC wrote:...I've been trying to convince Seth that he is a complete lunatic...
Quite right. Acceptance is the first step towards cure.

I fear he may be a lost case though... :jacket:

JimC wrote:...You too will drift to the centre when age brings wisdom... ;)
Age brings wisdom? Then how do you explain the house of lords?

JimC wrote:...The day of the political extremes is long over...
Actually, I doubt it's ever over.

Our current government seem like fairly 'extreme' small-state ideologues to me. Not exactly the tea-party for sure, but I can't buy for a second that they represent any kind of true balance of opinion in this country.

FBM wrote:I'd like to see an uprising, but I'd like to see it on a global scale. I don't care much for the direction we've been going in the past few thousand years.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:47 pm

I disagree with him that the "same set of conditions that existed in Cairo exist in New York City and exist in Miami Florida."

He also blames imperialism and slavery on capitalism, which is really quite bogus.

M1? That's an M-1 Carbine weapon - and his band, the Dead Prez? Where's the civility in political discourse? I remember some folks were shocked when I didn't think it was a big deal that people would use martial metaphors in political discourse. I wonder if those same folks object to M1's use of martial metaphors?

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by devogue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:55 pm

Crumple wrote:Rap is a mature musical genre...
No, it's really shit, simple, childish poetry and rhymes added to drumbeats and the occasional stolen melody or original, lame, half-arsed joke melody.

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by FBM » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:22 pm

Horwood Beer-Master wrote:
FBM wrote:I'd like to see an uprising, but I'd like to see it on a global scale. I don't care much for the direction we've been going in the past few thousand years.
I blame Aristotle. :coffee:
That twat Plato didn't help much either, did he? :nono:
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:07 pm

JimC wrote:
The day of the political extremes is long over...
Depends how you define "extremes". I, as well as many others, would consider neo liberal capitalism as extremism and it is certainly not over.
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by Robert_S » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:50 pm

devogue wrote:
Crumple wrote:Rap is a mature musical genre...
No, it's really shit, simple, childish poetry and rhymes added to drumbeats and the occasional stolen melody or original, lame, half-arsed joke melody.
Not all of the poetry is childish and quite a few acts supply their own music. I will allow that the vast majority of it, like the vast majority of any lucrative musical genre, is mass produced crap.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by sandinista » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:07 pm

Robert_S wrote:
devogue wrote:
Crumple wrote:Rap is a mature musical genre...
No, it's really shit, simple, childish poetry and rhymes added to drumbeats and the occasional stolen melody or original, lame, half-arsed joke melody.
Not all of the poetry is childish and quite a few acts supply their own music. I will allow that the vast majority of it, like the vast majority of any lucrative musical genre, is mass produced crap.
You answered that? ha, I thought that person was kidding. :lol: Of course there are really great hiphop artists and a ton of shitty ones. DeadPrez are one of the great ones.
Our struggle is not against actual corrupt individuals, but against those in power in general, against their authority, against the global order and the ideological mystification which sustains it.

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Re: Conditions ripe for uprising across America

Post by devogue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:13 pm

sandinista wrote:hiphop artists
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