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Post by Azathoth » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:10 am

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The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
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Post by cowiz » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:12 am

Azathoth wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... rope#Spain

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The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Seth » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:16 am

Seraph wrote:
Seth wrote:I direct you to the punctuation mark at the end of each sentence. It's known as a "question mark." It denotes an inquiry, not "putting words" in anyone's anything. It invites response.
I know what to make of the question marks. Clever technique. What planet do you think I live on?
I wouldn't want to specuate...
Seth wrote:I challenge you to find ANY speech by ANY Catholic authority that "attempts to absolve paedophiles among the catholic priesthood from wrong-doing."
Of course neither the Vatican nor its representatives will say that their speeches, letters and announcements are "attempts to absolve paedophiles among the catholic priesthood from wrong-doing." They just keep "explaining" why so many of their clerics keep getting exposed for sticking their cocks in children's hands, mouths, twats and arses. Surely, you are familiar with "implied" meanings? You've used the word very recently, yes?
So, you were being hyperbolic? I thought so. Care to reflect on the number of verifiable instances in the past 10 years where such things have happened, as opposed to 40 or 50 years ago? The number is quite small, you'll find, if you care to do the research.

The Catholic church, you see, takes the issue quite seriously and has done more than almost any other organization, secular or religious, on the planet to enact policies and procedures to prevent such things from happening. Priests now go through rigorous psychological testing before ordination, and even lay persons who have ANY contact with children at ANY official or sanctioned church function are REQUIRED to attend child protection lectures and they MUST consent to and pass a criminal background check.

This includes so much as serving hot dogs at a church picnic where kids are present.

Then you might reflect on the fact that it's estimated that FIVE MILLION children EVERY YEAR are molested by public school teachers in the US alone.

This qualifies as searching for motes while ignoring planks.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Seth » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:21 am

Azathoth wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... rope#Spain

Spain

The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
I think I'd heard that Spain in particular is a haven for US pedophile ex-pats. Fortunately, unless they renounce their US citizenship, it is unlawful for any US citizen to travel abroad for the purposes of having sex with a person under the age of 18, even if it's legal in the country they go to. It's a federal felony and the US works with Interpol and other law enforcement agencies to track known pedophiles and to arrest and prosecute "child sex tourism."

So, it might be legal for a Spanish citizen to bugger a 13 year old, it's illegal for a US citizen to travel to Spain for that purpose. On the other hand, if a US citizen happens to be in Spain and happens to have sex with someone under 18, I don't think it's a crime. There is a mens rea element to the federal law.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by lordpasternack » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:23 am

pawiz wrote:
Azathoth wrote:Just a point on the OP. The age of consent in Spain is 13, the lowest in Europe, so the Bishop is actually talking about kids who it would be legal to screw under spanish law
Is this true? Can a 13 year old consent to fuck anyone? I've done no research on this so my question is incredulous.
It depends what you mean by "consent" and how it should apply to consenting to fucking in particular, doesn't it? If I offer a 13-year-old boy a shag, he could say "yesh pleash! :drool: " - or a female peer of his could walk up to him, grab him by his school tie and say "fuck me now!"… It all depends on whether you consider such to be consent, or whether you think it should be honoured as willing and able consent.
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Post by cowiz » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:25 am

Seth wrote:
Azathoth wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... rope#Spain

Spain

The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
I think I'd heard that Spain in particular is a haven for US pedophile ex-pats. Fortunately, unless they renounce their US citizenship, it is unlawful for any US citizen to travel abroad for the purposes of having sex with a person under the age of 18, even if it's legal in the country they go to. It's a federal felony and the US works with Interpol and other law enforcement agencies to track known pedophiles and to arrest and prosecute "child sex tourism."

So, it might be legal for a Spanish citizen to bugger a 13 year old, it's illegal for a US citizen to travel to Spain for that purpose. On the other hand, if a US citizen happens to be in Spain and happens to have sex with someone under 18, I don't think it's a crime. There is a mens rea element to the federal law.
The uk age of consent is 16! Why would it be illegal to shag a foreigner who was only 17?
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Hermit » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:39 am

Seth wrote:Then you might reflect on the fact that it's estimated that FIVE MILLION children EVERY YEAR are molested by public school teachers in the US alone.

This qualifies as searching for motes while ignoring planks.
I Just had a look at a little book titled Lying with Statistics, so
1. It's not public school teachers. Included in those statistics is every molestation committed by school's outsourced janitor, plumber, etc.
2. In percentage terms, child molestation is more prevalent in religious institutions than public ones.

Besides, I see nothing wrong with shining a light on an organisation one of whose principal dogmas is that sex is sinful unless it takes place within the confines of a monogamous marriage. Doing so does not mean I am ignoring child molestation in the secular sphere. It just means I am keeping within the realm of this thread: the catholic church and sin.

If you wish to discuss child molestation in public schools, by all means start a discussion in the appropriate area.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Gallstones » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:48 am

Seth wrote: The Catholic church, you see, takes the issue quite seriously and has done more than almost any other organization, secular or religious, on the planet to enact policies and procedures to prevent such things from happening. Priests now go through rigorous psychological testing before ordination, and even lay persons who have ANY contact with children at ANY official or sanctioned church function are REQUIRED to attend child protection lectures and they MUST consent to and pass a criminal background check.

This includes so much as serving hot dogs at a church picnic where kids are present.

Then you might reflect on the fact that it's estimated that FIVE MILLION children EVERY YEAR are molested by public school teachers in the US alone.

This qualifies as searching for motes while ignoring planks.

As a layperson who taught RE I can verify that I was required to attend in-person instruction sessions at the church and then participate in an online series of lessons paid for by the Diocese on policy and the prevention of exploitation of children. And this was put in place soon after the first charges were being brought. My mother, who handed out the pre-RE snack had to attend and complete them too.

The policy and practices were very strict; no physical contact, never be alone in a room with a child, know where all the blind corners were and if it was normal for a given room to be locked during business hours, stuff like that.


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Gallstones wrote:
Seth wrote: The Catholic church, you see, takes the issue quite seriously and has done more than almost any other organization, secular or religious, on the planet to enact policies and procedures to prevent such things from happening. Priests now go through rigorous psychological testing before ordination, and even lay persons who have ANY contact with children at ANY official or sanctioned church function are REQUIRED to attend child protection lectures and they MUST consent to and pass a criminal background check.

This includes so much as serving hot dogs at a church picnic where kids are present.

Then you might reflect on the fact that it's estimated that FIVE MILLION children EVERY YEAR are molested by public school teachers in the US alone.

This qualifies as searching for motes while ignoring planks.

As a layperson who taught RE I can verify that I was required to attend in-person instruction sessions at the church and then participate in an online series of lessons paid for by the Diocese on policy and the prevention of exploitation of children. And this was put in place soon after the first charges were being brought. My mother, who handed out the pre-RE snack had to attend and complete them too.

The policy and practices were very strict; no physical contact, never be alone in a room with a child, know where all the blind corners were and if it was normal for a given room to be locked during business hours, stuff like that.
Me too, in order to even pick my own nephews up from a church function.
I thought this was going to be a funny thread. :shock:
It's in the "serious" section...
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Gallstones » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:58 am

Seth wrote:
Gallstones wrote:
I thought this was going to be a funny thread. :shock:
It's in the "serious" section...
I don't pay attention to the details. I never read the header, just the title.
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Post by Seth » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:58 am

pawiz wrote:
Seth wrote:
Azathoth wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... rope#Spain

Spain

The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
I think I'd heard that Spain in particular is a haven for US pedophile ex-pats. Fortunately, unless they renounce their US citizenship, it is unlawful for any US citizen to travel abroad for the purposes of having sex with a person under the age of 18, even if it's legal in the country they go to. It's a federal felony and the US works with Interpol and other law enforcement agencies to track known pedophiles and to arrest and prosecute "child sex tourism."

So, it might be legal for a Spanish citizen to bugger a 13 year old, it's illegal for a US citizen to travel to Spain for that purpose. On the other hand, if a US citizen happens to be in Spain and happens to have sex with someone under 18, I don't think it's a crime. There is a mens rea element to the federal law.
The uk age of consent is 16! Why would it be illegal to shag a foreigner who was only 17?
As usual, the pedophiles buggering kids in Thailand ruined it for everybody else.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by cowiz » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:00 am

Seth wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Seth wrote:
Azathoth wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co ... rope#Spain

Spain

The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
I think I'd heard that Spain in particular is a haven for US pedophile ex-pats. Fortunately, unless they renounce their US citizenship, it is unlawful for any US citizen to travel abroad for the purposes of having sex with a person under the age of 18, even if it's legal in the country they go to. It's a federal felony and the US works with Interpol and other law enforcement agencies to track known pedophiles and to arrest and prosecute "child sex tourism."

So, it might be legal for a Spanish citizen to bugger a 13 year old, it's illegal for a US citizen to travel to Spain for that purpose. On the other hand, if a US citizen happens to be in Spain and happens to have sex with someone under 18, I don't think it's a crime. There is a mens rea element to the federal law.
The uk age of consent is 16! Why would it be illegal to shag a foreigner who was only 17?
As usual, the pedophiles buggering kids in Thailand ruined it for everybody else.
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Re: LOL? I nearly ROFL'd

Post by Mysturji » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:25 am

Azathoth wrote:Just a point on the OP. The age of consent in Spain is 13, the lowest in Europe, so the Bishop is actually talking about kids who it would be legal to screw under spanish law
Just a point on the OP... What does the age of consent in Spain have to do with an iPhone app? :think:
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