Catholic Mass 'sexist and elitist', say priests.

[Animavore]

The absolute irony of this coming from an elect group which is exclusive to men.

Catholic Mass 'sexist and elitist', say priests

A new version of the Irish Catholic missal is sexist, elitist and obscure, a group of Irish priests has said.

The Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) is at loggerheads with the Vatican over the text to be used during Mass from April.

The ACP has said that the continual use of the word 'man' and 'he' throughout the text discriminates against women.

"Many women will be rightly enraged by the continued deliberate use of non-inclusive language," the group said in a statement.

"The ACP strongly opposes the introduction and use of any texts which will insult and offend women who are at the heart of every Christian community in Ireland."

It says a prayer which speaks of how Jesus came "for us men and for our salvation" is an example of the non-inclusive language.

I remember having to say that prayer in mass, the one right above, in a repetitive, droning voice. Except I mumbled most of the words as I didn't know them or care about them.

This next section brightened my day.

One of the changes which has drawn its particular ire is to replace the line 'for you and for all' with 'for you and for many'.

It says that the change will cause parishoners may ask "Are there some for whom Jesus did not die?"

Not only for the absurdity of a Jew 2,000 years ago being tortured and executed for little ol' me, somehow (an absurdity I'm well accustomed too at this stage), but also at the priests' apparent concern over over what the parishioners will think. They won't 'think' anything. The majority will just murmur their prayers, stand, sit, kneel, bow and fuck off home to their Sunday dinner glad that it's over and the ones that actually do care about mass are usually so sycophantic they just simply wouldn't stand up and question. Church never has been a place for exchanging ideas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12366734

[Ronja]

[JimC]

When those angels dance on the end of a pin, are they doing a slow waltz, or maybe a little rhumba?

[Faithfree]

Association of Catholic Priests is a bit of a mouthful; can't we shorten it to Ass. of Catholic Priests?

[Ronja]

FF I almost choked on my sandwich!

[Faithfree]

FF I almost choked on my sandwich!

Sorry.

[Svartalf]

Buncha bleeding arse morons. The use of the masculine for indeterminate gender has been rooted in IE languages for millenia, possibly since before writing even arose in Egypt and Sumer, and they would impose bulky and graceless phrasing because all of a sudden the time honored custom offends their boy tiddling sensitivities? Let them leave the priesthood if they don't like tradition.

[Svartalf]

When those angels dance on the end of a pin, are they doing a slow waltz, or maybe a little rhumba?

I hear they do Jewish dancing

[klr]

Hey, it's Sunday morning! I don't want to be reminded about all those wasted mornings of my youth.

Mass 'sexist and elitest'? Well I never ...

[Seth]

If you don't like Catholic orthodoxy and dogma, don't be a Catholic. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why you would bitch about how someone else runs their private club is a puzzlement.

[.Morticia.]

Buncha bleeding arse morons. The use of the masculine for indeterminate gender has been rooted in IE languages for millenia, possibly since before writing even arose in Egypt and Sumer, and they would impose bulky and graceless phrasing because all of a sudden the time honored custom offends their boy tiddling sensitivities? Let them leave the priesthood if they don't like tradition.

Is that true?

When I was doing pol sci and studied the enlightment etc at first I thought the He/him/man schtick was just literary custom. But no, to my horror I found they really really did mean ONLY MEN.

[.Morticia.]

If you don't like Catholic orthodoxy and dogma, don't be a Catholic. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why you would bitch about how someone else runs their private club is a puzzlement.

( are you serious?)

Do you believe in Free Will?


( And it's not a private club, it get public benefits, thus it should be accountable )

[Svartalf]

Buncha bleeding arse morons. The use of the masculine for indeterminate gender has been rooted in IE languages for millenia, possibly since before writing even arose in Egypt and Sumer, and they would impose bulky and graceless phrasing because all of a sudden the time honored custom offends their boy tiddling sensitivities? Let them leave the priesthood if they don't like tradition.

Is that true?

When I was doing pol sci and studied the enlightment etc at first I thought the He/him/man schtick was just literary custom. But no, to my horror I found they really really did mean ONLY MEN.

Yes, it's still true, when the gender of a gender bearing being is indeterminate, the masculine is used by default. ... wIth some notable exceptions like a gender inderterminate cat or ship being a 'she' in English. Of course, this can make it uneasy to distinguish instances where the masculine is used specifically to designate a male or class of males, from ones when the predicate applies to both genders indiscriminately, or could designate a woman if the case arose.

This is true even in languages that have a 'neutral' gender, where deliberate use of that gender to designate a human is clear proof of intent to insult or depersonify the object

[Ayaan]

If you don't like Catholic orthodoxy and dogma, don't be a Catholic. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why you would bitch about how someone else runs their private club is a puzzlement.

( are you serious?)

Do you believe in Free Will?


( And it's not a private club, it get public benefits, thus it should be accountable )

They also have a way of wanting to have a say in government policy and how people who aren't members of their 'private club' live their lives.

[klr]

If you don't like Catholic orthodoxy and dogma, don't be a Catholic. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why you would bitch about how someone else runs their private club is a puzzlement.

Why? Because I was forced to attend this club for many years. Now that I'm out, I usually couldn't care less about what goes on at Sunday mass, but the irony in this story is inescapable.