All religions are bad, but Islam is worse than others

[BrettA]

Short-sighted and emotionally reactive.

Jesus.

Of course it was short-sighted and emotionally reactive. I was describing an emotional reaction!

Men named al-rawandi.

Fixed (t'ain't all of us, RK!)

[Red Katie]

I know, dear, that it isn't all of you. But sometimes a body needs a sweeping judgment. Just makes you feel better, know what i mean?

[BrettA]

I know, dear, that it isn't all of you. But sometimes a body needs a sweeping judgment. Just makes you feel better, know what i mean?

Yep... makes sense - sweep away! (And yeah, I know you couldn't have been literal, but I thought it was worth comment.)

[Feck]

men hey ............

Islam just younger than the others and being really fucking badly behaved at the moment .At one point they were the outlooking/science friendly ones
that us "Christian" dark age morons had a few crusades against ,thats when we got bored of having popogroms against jews.
Humans we suck , It takes a faith to make good people do evil things .or a good load of propaganda .

[charlou]

I know, dear, that it isn't all of you. But sometimes a body needs a sweeping judgment. Just makes you feel better, know what i mean?

You forgot the /sarcasm, though I'll overlook it as it wasn't necessary, anyway.

[Fanny]

men hey ............

Islam just younger than the others and being really fucking badly behaved at the moment .At one point they were the outlooking/science friendly ones
that us "Christian" dark age morons had a few crusades against ,thats when we got bored of having popogroms against jews.
Humans we suck , It takes a faith to make good people do evil things .or a good load of propaganda .

This is the worst kind of pogrom

[Feck]

Hey have I found the spell checker oh cool , If you want to correct my grammer and check facts for me to then I can get really lazy

[Fanny]

Hey, have I found the spell checker? Oh cool! If you want to correct my grammar and check facts for me too, then I can get really lazy.

Fact check: you are a wanker

[Feck]

Hey, have I found the spell checker? Oh cool! If you want to correct my grammar and check facts for me too, then I can get really lazy.

Fact check: you are a wanker

yeah yeah but at least I don't need a magnifying glass to play with mine

[charlou]

Can we stick to the topic please?

thanx

[Fanny]

Charlou beat me to my reply:

Back on subject, I appreciate the severity of the OP and that this is in the atheism forum. I am desensitised to such stories. My initial response is actually thinking 'oh fucking typical' as the story is so familiar.

I feel a bit of a knob for having degraded this thread with jokes and jibes. Apologies.

[al-rawandi]

If you want this to stop, encourage your elected representatives to take a harder line on Islam. We should do something now, before it becomes too costly later. How great would it have been if Neville Chamberlain built a coalition to attack Germany as soon as Hitler violated the DMZ in the Rheinland, or any of the previous provisions of the Treaty of Versailles? How many lives would have been saved? How many Jews, Gays, Brits, Germans and Americans? We must stand up to transgressions againsts civilization as soon as they occur.

Is the word I bolded what you really meant? If so, how do you envision I write a letter to my congressman telling them to get tough with an entire religion, a religion that has many decent adherents in our own country?

After Bush's debasement of our foreign policy and Obama's outreach to mend fences with the Muslim world, how do you see a practical path for action while fighting two wars as we go bankrupt? Should we intervene in Somalia, like Clinton did, and get our asses handed to us again? I say we keep out unless the entire world is ready to move (and they'll probably fuck up too). I know we'll just fuck things up. We don't have the stomach for that kind of nation building. Let the Chinese civilize Africa through self-interested investment, as they are somewhat successfully doing now - though spotty. Support initiatives like the Grameen Bank there. Stop subsidizing bullshit and feeding the permanently starving. Otherwise, let them go on maiming and killing each other unless we have systematic long-term strategy to help that really works. In 100 some odd years now, what else has helped?

I want us to rid ourselves of dependence on Muslim oil. That's number one. Remove our main strategic interests there and at least we'll stop driving their corruption with our corruption - which is often equally evil. Take away their money and the enlightened ones will leave with their money to the West and the religious nuts will start infighting. Fuck 'em. Yes, they might send a nuke or two our way as they go down in flames, flailing like wounded animals - assuming they can't reform from within. Our response may well be to annihilate them if we can't find the needles without burning down the haystack. Let's hope something does enlighten them from within so it doesn't come to that. Those forces of enlightment do exist, I know such Muslims personally. Am I doubtful they'll triumph? Yes. But I don't like to ponder the alternative. I just don't think we can't impose reform of this nature on them from the outside. Do you?

First off I support total withdrawal from Iraq. It was a monumental mistake, undertook by an eaily manipulated dolt of a president, whose own pedestrian intellect was only outstripped by his ideological convictions. If we leave Iraq then there will be a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, the Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq will play this out. Draining the coffers of both of these countries which have a lot to do with the spread of fundamentalism and terrorism. Why should we bankrupt ourselves babysitting people who desperately want to murder one another? Same goes for Afghanistan. The issue there however is economy. A friend of mine is a professor at a Uni in Afghanistan (Afghan himself) he has thrown up his hands and left the place. Little hope for people who think the world is flat, en masse.

I suggest you write a letter to Congressman telling him to do a number of things. One is centralize our foreign policy around specific security issues, namely monitoring Muslim immigration CAREFULLY. Next is prodding Europre to take their own problems a little more seriously. We now have Muslims actively suppressing free speech in The Netherlands and the UK by applying threats of lawlessness and violence. The last thing the US needs to be doing in the future is trying to unfuck half of Europe. We already did that... twice. Finally ask your Congressman, Senator, and President, to take the issue to the UN. Get the UN to get rid of this shite about not "insulting" religion. The Muslim states have done a remarkable job of suppressing free speech. Did you see the link I provided? It is obvious that the Muslims, along with their European multi-cultural catamites, have begun to dominate discourse on human rights, shifting the paradigm of human rights from defending people's individual rights to not insulting a religion that deserves to be insulted at every turn.

And yes, get rid of our dependence on oil. This is an absolute necessity, strategically an environmentally. You make a very good point. And you make a great point about "nuking". We need to withdraw totally from the Islamic world, I would not waste one more civilized life attempting to civilize a bunch of thugs whose notion of civilization amounts to 7th Century barbarity. And declare that as a corrolary of our total withdrawal we reserve the right to hold entire NATIONS responsible for the actors they allow to operate. If a Saudi group of terrorists, funded by Saudi money launchs an attack, we fire bomb Riyadh. If these people don't care about collateral damage why should we? Do we really believe that our commitment to human rights and decency carris any weight with these folks? Absolutely not. They view our hesitations about bombing in civilian areas as a weakness. And frankly it is. So in short you are right.

[al-rawandi]

It didn't make me cry. It made me want to shoot all the men in Somalia.

Short sighted and emotionally reactive. Your assumption (which is incorrect) is that men are the exclusive driving force of Islam, and women are its unwilling victims. Muslim women are complicit in the perpetuation of this "status quo", call it fanaticism, fatalism, or Stockholm Syndrome. There is little or no outcry from Muslim women when these kind of things take place, except for the Irshad Manji types, who are quickly denounced as apostates, a designation which carries a death sentence in Shariah.

This might explain the reluctance on the part of women to speak out, don't you think?

That is possible. But listen to lectures from Ingrid Matson. A Muslim woman who spends her time defending the very institutions of Islam that provide for her husband to beat her and commit spousal rape. She doesn't seemto have a problem speaking out, she just does in support of Islam. And many other women follow suit.

[al-rawandi]

I know, dear, that it isn't all of you. But sometimes a body needs a sweeping judgment. Just makes you feel better, know what i mean?

I am sure there are a few in the Third Reich that would second that.

[Red Katie]

I know, dear, that it isn't all of you. But sometimes a body needs a sweeping judgment. Just makes you feel better, know what i mean?

I am sure there are a few in the Third Reich that would second that.

I didn't suggest sending all men to the furnaces, though, did I? I didn't even suggest shooting all the men in Somalia. I just said I felt like it. Big difference. When you see me organizing women to go to Somalia, then trot out the Third Reich.

Comparing people with Hitler is a used-up metaphor. Try something a little more civilized.