A secular debate about objective reality and God

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A secular debate about objective reality and God

Post by TheGreatGatsby » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:11 pm

So there is this video of Dr. William Lane Craig 'humiliating' Peter Atkins. The whole thing is taken a bit out of context and it is unclear how strong Atkins' points were, but Craig (or is it Lane Craig :think: ) makes a few genuinely important points towards the middle, which is surprising given the general low quality of his work.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkBD20ed ... re=related[/youtube]

It is really true that we can't prove the existence of other minds and objective reality, yet these unprovable assumptions are believed by almost everybody. Even God's existence is discussed within the boundaries of an objective mutli-minded reality. However, each of us believes in the existence of the mind. Assuming the existence of the mind, we assume the existence of other minds. We could, possibly, go one step further and accept the existence of God as a second assumption within an assumption (the first being the existence of an objective reality given the existence of the human mind). Then we would view the world with the assumption of a God, the same way we do now with the assumption of an objective reality. My question would be: If we have one unprovable assumption, why not add a second (or remove the first altogether?)

I realize the whole 'argument' looks a bit like wordplay, but it's an interesting argument for God that may even be stronger than, say, the argument from design. Also, we may consider the issue of God's existence to be one that is within the boundaries of the assumption of objective reality - and held up to the standards of evidence the initial assumption (objective reality) is immune to.

Or this may just be another stupid ontological fallacy.
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Re: A secular debate about objective reality and God

Post by Tero » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:59 pm

Jeez, why does anybody pay clowns like this to make a living? You either believe or you don't. No amount of philosophy ever convinced anyone.

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Re: A secular debate about objective reality and God

Post by PsychoSerenity » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:01 pm

TheGreatGatsby wrote:It is really true that we can't prove the existence of other minds and objective reality, yet these unprovable assumptions are believed by almost everybody.
We might not be able to prove it, but try believing otherwise and see how far it gets you. If you don't test against what appears to be a consistent reality, then you've got no hold on anything. You'll be able to concoct any fairytale you like if you can manage to regress entirely into your own mind.
[Disclaimer - if this is comes across like I think I know what I'm talking about, I want to make it clear that I don't. I'm just trying to get my thoughts down]

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