Will Obama Be a One Term President?

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Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:46 pm

Dick Cheney says yes: http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... resident/1
Former vice president Dick Cheney, back in the public eye after a major heart operation, predicts that President Obama will be a one-term president because of health care and other big government programs.

In an interview airing this morning on NBC's Today show, Cheney cited Obama's "overall approach to expanding the size of government, expanding the deficit, and giving more and more authority and power to the government over the private sector."

As for health care, Cheney said Obama has "enacted a program that a great many people are very worried about. And that there's a lot of support out there for the effort to repeal that health care package."

The former vice president also talked about his newly implanted heart pump, Obama's national security record, the Arizona shooting, and his offer to step aside as George W. Bush's running mate prior to the 2004 election. He declined to say whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, adding that "there'll be ample time for that in the months ahead."

Cheney also told NBC he has not decided whether he will seek a heart transplant.

Cheney, a harsh critic of Obama's national security policies early in the administration, did compliment the president for appearing to change some of his counter-terrorism views, such as the pledge to close the terrorist prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba:

I think he's learned that he's not going to be able to close Guantanamo. That if you didn't have it you'd have to create one like that. You've got to have some place to put terrorists who are combatants who are bound and determined to try to kill Americans.

I think in terms of a lot of the terrorism policies -- the early talk, for example, about prosecuting people in the CIA who've been carrying out our policies -- all of that's fallen by the wayside. I think he's learned that what we did was far more appropriate than he ever gave us credit for while he was a candidate. So I think he's learned from experience. And part of that experience was the Democrats having a terrible showing last election.

Cheney said Obama appears to have learned because he has "been through the fires of becoming president, and having to make decisions and live with the consequences."

"As I say, I think he's found it necessary to be more sympathetic to the kinds of things we did," Cheney said. "They've gotten active, for example, with the drone program, using Predator and the Reaper to launch strikes against identified terrorist targets in the various places in the world."

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Robert_S » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:55 pm

It depends on how whacko the Republicans are in two years.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Warren Dew » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:50 pm

Obama's backpeddling on health care now. Maybe terrorism isn't the only area where he'll be able to correct his mistakes.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by maiforpeace » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:52 pm

I dunno, maybe we should ask Nancy Reagan.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:00 pm

Does it matter? Who cares?
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Robert_S » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:30 pm

sandinista wrote:Does it matter? Who cares?
Yes it matters. It won't necessarily mean everything I, you or anyone who posts here wants either way, but there will be real and long term differences. Do you think the response to 9-11 would have been the same under Gore? Do you really think there are not a shitload of dead people who would not be dead but for who sat in the White House that day?

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What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:37 pm

Let the people decide! And maybe those inscrutable voting machines. And a judge or two.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Rob » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:42 pm

A Republican believes a Democrat will not be reelected. Hardly news, CES.

Next up, anti-abortionist thinks abortion is wrong.

Global warming denialist actually believes global warming is a hoax.

Muslims around the world think atheists are incorrect about their assumptions about Allah!

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:55 pm

Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:Does it matter? Who cares?
Yes it matters. It won't necessarily mean everything I, you or anyone who posts here wants either way, but there will be real and long term differences. Do you think the response to 9-11 would have been the same under Gore? Do you really think there are not a shitload of dead people who would not be dead but for who sat in the White House that day?

I care.
Response to 9/11 the same?...probably. Any excuse to get the war cash rolling in. Out of curiosity, what do you think Gore would have done?
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:11 pm

ScienceRob wrote:A Republican believes a Democrat will not be reelected. Hardly news, CES.
It's politics, and the question for discussion was "will obama be a one term president?" Cheney's opinion is just one person's view.
ScienceRob wrote: Next up, anti-abortionist thinks abortion is wrong.
There is a thread being hotly debated involving abortion, despite the fact that antiabortion folks think it's wrong and pro abortion folks don't think it's wrong.
ScienceRob wrote:
Global warming denialist actually believes global warming is a hoax.
And, yet, we have a thread about that too.
ScienceRob wrote:
Muslims around the world think atheists are incorrect about their assumptions about Allah!

:hehe:
Yet, there is a whole subforum here dedicated to Atheism and Religion.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:15 pm

sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:Does it matter? Who cares?
Yes it matters. It won't necessarily mean everything I, you or anyone who posts here wants either way, but there will be real and long term differences. Do you think the response to 9-11 would have been the same under Gore? Do you really think there are not a shitload of dead people who would not be dead but for who sat in the White House that day?

I care.
Response to 9/11 the same?...probably. Any excuse to get the war cash rolling in. Out of curiosity, what do you think Gore would have done?
I think it would have been largely the same in Afghanistan. Not sure why anyone thinks that was inappropriate. When attacked, you fight back, unless one is sniveling "love thy enemies" type....

Iraq is a bit less certain, but the Clinton/Gore administration was hawkish on Hussein, and was four-square in favor of deposing him - Iraq Liberation Act, for example. The Clinton Administration was engaged in sporadic attacks on Iraq from 1993 to 2000, and was under the impression that Hussein had designs on a nuclear program and other catastrophic weapons. I see no reason why Gore would not have held that view in 2001 and 2002 - Hillary Clinton held that view - most democrats held that view.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by sandinista » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:24 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:Does it matter? Who cares?
Yes it matters. It won't necessarily mean everything I, you or anyone who posts here wants either way, but there will be real and long term differences. Do you think the response to 9-11 would have been the same under Gore? Do you really think there are not a shitload of dead people who would not be dead but for who sat in the White House that day?

I care.
Response to 9/11 the same?...probably. Any excuse to get the war cash rolling in. Out of curiosity, what do you think Gore would have done?
I think it would have been largely the same in Afghanistan. Not sure why anyone thinks that was inappropriate. When attacked, you fight back, unless one is sniveling "love thy enemies" type....

Iraq is a bit less certain, but the Clinton/Gore administration was hawkish on Hussein, and was four-square in favor of deposing him - Iraq Liberation Act, for example. The Clinton Administration was engaged in sporadic attacks on Iraq from 1993 to 2000, and was under the impression that Hussein had designs on a nuclear program and other catastrophic weapons. I see no reason why Gore would not have held that view in 2001 and 2002 - Hillary Clinton held that view - most democrats held that view.
yes, same response most likely. When attacked you fight back... :fp: same reason given by those who flew the planes in the first place. Brilliant, great way to get things done. Before you give me the "love your enemies" shit, it has nothing to do with that. Simply time to evolve past reacting to violence with violence, there are other solutions. Your opinion comes as no surprise though.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by drl2 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:41 pm

It seems quite likely he will - much of his liberal base feels abandoned by his caving over and over to the right, and much of the right think he's an islamofascicommusocialist Kenyan Black Panther Antichrist who needs to be removed from office by any means necessary.
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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by Tero » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:47 pm

They convinced people they do not want healtcare. Should not be too hard to get them to vote for a rich white guy.

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Re: Will Obama Be a One Term President?

Post by JimC » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:49 pm

Robert_S wrote:It depends on how whacko the Republicans are in two years.
I think this is the key. If he is looking a little fragile, and if the Republicans get a candidate with reasonable charisma, and not too "out there", then he will be a gone gosling...

Probably fair to say that it will be the Republican's election to lose...
sandinista wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
sandinista wrote:Does it matter? Who cares?
Yes it matters. It won't necessarily mean everything I, you or anyone who posts here wants either way, but there will be real and long term differences. Do you think the response to 9-11 would have been the same under Gore? Do you really think there are not a shitload of dead people who would not be dead but for who sat in the White House that day?

I care.
Response to 9/11 the same?...probably. Any excuse to get the war cash rolling in. Out of curiosity, what do you think Gore would have done?
I think your automatic view that American politicians are the Evil Overlords of the Universe means that you cannot see clear and real distinctions amongst them...

Sure, we will never know, but I think it is highly unlikely that Iraq would have been invaded...
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