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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:38 am

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FBM wrote:200 million American gun-owners did not shoot anybody today.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:39 am

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FBM wrote:200 million American gun-owners did not shoot anybody today.
How many did, I wonder.
One, that I know of. :dunno:
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by JimC » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:40 am

FBM wrote:200 million American gun-owners did not shoot anybody today.
I know what you mean, FBM, but that is not the point here. The ready availability of concealeable handguns makes the crazed loner with an agenda a more dangerous proposition than he otherwise would be...

You know that I am a fan of recreational shooting, with an emphasis on rifles; I'm not an anti-gun person.

It is the issue of the availability and sheer numbers of handguns that is the issue.

Arguments that I have heard put forward at various places is that ownership of handguns by honourable citizens makes it hazardous for criminals and crazies. Where was the righteous citizen with a quick draw ready to slay the guman in Arizona?
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:47 am

There isn't a issue with guns here. I think America is well outside the norm with its gun issues. People have given up asking whats going on outside its borders. Just what happens over there. :coffee:
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:48 am

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FBM wrote:200 million American gun-owners did not shoot anybody today.
I know what you mean, FBM, but that is not the point here. The ready availability of concealeable handguns makes the crazed loner with an agenda a more dangerous proposition than he otherwise would be...

You know that I am a fan of recreational shooting, with an emphasis on rifles; I'm not an anti-gun person.

It is the issue of the availability and sheer numbers of handguns that is the issue.
I'm all for recreational use of firearms, too, obviously, but as long as there are crackpots, there will be abuses, whether with handguns or sporting guns. I recall from the article that this guy has a history of both criminal activity and mental disorders. If he obtained the gun legally, there was a breakdown in the system somewhere. The breakdown should be the focus, IMO.
Arguments that I have heard put forward at various places is that ownership of handguns by honourable citizens makes it hazardous for criminals and crazies. Where was the righteous citizen with a quick draw ready to slay the guman in Arizona?
Too intimidated by anti-gun lawyers to excersise their rights? I can't think of any way to gather data on how many criminals have decided not to do their thing because of the prospect of running into an armed citizen. I'm pretty sure there are some stats floating around on the effects of legal gun ownership on local/regional crime rates, but I'm not rabid enough about the issue to look it up. :biggrin:
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Robert_S » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:07 am

Gawd wrote:She's a member of Congress, I show no sympathy.
What if she was trying to get the US to stop funding Israel, or to make any aid conditional upon fair treatment of the Palestinians?
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:23 am

By the way, while I was in my 20's, I prevented 2 potentially violent criminals from going about their business with me as the victim. Once I was alone and only protected myself, the other time I was with my legally-blind brother who wouldn't have been able to protect himself even if he'd had a firearm. In both cases, I did everything I could to avoid conflict, but to no avail. I was finally forced to show my .44 cal when it was clear that there was a clear possibility that my life/our lives were in danger. They backed down and buggered off. It works. If it didn't, I might not be alive today.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:24 am

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Gawd wrote:She's a member of Congress, I show no sympathy.
What if she was trying to get the US to stop funding Israel, or to make any aid conditional upon fair treatment of the Palestinians?
Peace is not productive in the house of war for Islam, Gawd is correct from his own distorted perspective.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:18 pm

FBM wrote: the other time I was with my legally-blind brother .
How does one be legally blind? Is it possible to be illegally blind? :think:

"Hey, in reality I'm as blind as a bat, but legally I can drive a car and perform heart bypass surgery!" :? :ask:
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Post by Trolldor » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:28 pm

Legally blind means recognised, I presume?
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

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Trolldor wrote:Legally blind means recognised, I presume?
Yes ... Medical certificate endorsement.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:15 pm

It's a legal designation to distinguish between those literally unable to see anything at all. Legally blind means he still has some residual vision, but is not considered to be functionally sighted. With very thick glasses, he can get around, but with marked limitations. Without them, he can only detect a little light, maybe shadows.
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by FBM » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:17 pm

Deep Sea Isopod wrote:
FBM wrote: the other time I was with my legally-blind brother .
How does one be legally blind? Is it possible to be illegally blind? :think:

"Hey, in reality I'm as blind as a bat, but legally I can drive a car and perform heart bypass surgery!" :? :ask:
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Re: Gabrielle Giffords Shot

Post by Lozzer » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:24 pm

Typical America.
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